Brexit postponed

[MarianaMoatedGrange]

AIBU to worry that the (almost certain) delay in Brexit will give rise to civil unrest?

But, the most frustrating attitudes I've encountered are "I just want it over" and "I'm bored of it". This is the most important legal, constitutional and economic question of our lives, it's worth taking time to scrutinise every aspect fully

Absolutely. I am sick to death of hearing from the public and MPs 'let's get this thing done'. BoJo is the worst for saying this. So we ram through a worse deal than one of TMay's? I don't think so.

I don't care if we keep going on negotiations. If this has to happen, it has to be right. Boredom of the process is no reason to accept any old deal that harms small businesses, lower paid workers, erodes workers rights etc etc.

Well done all those who marched yesterday (my DD included). Awful manipulation by some MPs walking the gauntlet and inviting ridicule and shouts. A special shout out goes to Jacob Rees Mogg who decided on this day of all days, to take his 12yr old son into work with him. And then walk up the road when he left to shouts of traitor. Manipulation of the worst sort.

As normal on these threads I've yet to come across a valid reason to leave. I'm all ears.
I read somewhere that 10% of those who voted leave have died and there are far more young people now old enough to vote. Let's hope that is the case.

Might be next June Velveteen when the UK asks for an extension to transition, although some people will believe we have already left. I imagine the headlines will be either scorchio if the weather is decent or something about hosepipe bans if its wet , with a smattering of Royal baby stories, is she , isn't she , girl or boy type stuff.

Have to add... I read on Twitter before yesterday, 'can't wait for November 1st, I'm so excited' and similar.

What are these people on? Do they honestly honestly think that if it went through, that's it, all sorted? I imagine it will be a decade of negotiations so if they're bored now, they're going to look back at these days as nothing compared to what happens after.

MPs don’t act collectively. That’s why it’s a parliamentary democracy - they act in the interests of constituents. M
Given that no one defined the terms on which we trade with the EU after we leave, it’s no wonder it’s taking a long time to resolve.

Also isn't it usually the young who are traditionally up for a riot / civil unrest ?

Roussette proud that your daughter was party to a mob displaying thuggish behaviour towards MPs exercising their right to vote how they wish? Really? Bullying, intimidation and manipulation of the worst kind.

I agree that civil unrest is now done on social media

The discussions with friends or at work are quite flat, a few friends are passionate about their being a second referendum but the others now of the opinion just get in with it

At work in what many people would assume is highly charged politically (NHS MH services) the feeling is the same and not all are labour voters and remain (as many seem to assume)

There has been a shift in the last few weeks, we now have the Bank if England, The Times which is significant and more even more so a shift in MP’s support

We could of course have a GE that will put to bed the revoke argument or there being a second referendum neither LD or Labour have a chance of wining maybe this is the right way forward

And absolutely agree once Article 50 was triggered the chances of the referendum not being upheld or there being a second referendum ended - if remain mp’s had got their act together they could have possibly stopped this but many were not willing to go against party whip shame on them to little too late

@Livelovebehappy have you seen how many leavers have been arrested for abuse, racism, violence and threats to MPs, police and the general public?

A bit of shouting doesn’t compare in the slightest.

Roussette proud that your daughter was party to a mob displaying thuggish behaviour towards MPs exercising their right to vote how they wish? Really? Bullying, intimidation and manipulation of the worst kind

I do not know where to begin to answer your pathetic misguided post. Firstly, do you know there was over a MILLION people marching yesterday? Do you know there were no arrests whatsoever, no civil disobedience, nowt. Yet you call over a million people a mob?

Do you know that the shouting was done by Brexit activists who grabbed leaflets to try and pass themselves off as Remainers?
I could upload here picture after picture that my DD took yesterday of MPs leaving the HoC with no one shouting. The likes of Andrea Leadsom and Jacob Rees Mogg, who used his son as a pawn, deserved to be shouted at AFAIC.

Are you saying that a peaceful march with over a million people from all corners of this country are a mob? Look at the pictures. I am beyond proud of my DD for exercising her democratic right and going on a peaceful march. Jog on.

Ahh, there were no arrests, so the behaviour seen yesterday was okay? Funny how brexiteers are constantly labelled as thugs and bullies, yet scenes that we saw yesterday by Remainers are absolutely excused because they weren’t arrested, so it’s okay. Oh, and those that were seen to be behaving like thugs were actually brexiteers disguised as Remainers. You really couldn’t make it up! I’m sure you can produce lovely pics of well behaved marchers, as I can produce pics of ones not behaving as saintly. I’m all for peaceful protests, on both sides, but please stop painting a picture of lovely tolerant people marching peacefully, as the reality in a lot of sections yesterday painted a very different picture.

The people harassing MPs making police escorts necessary were despicable. Including the ones who harassed Diane Abbott.

A handful of people out of a million plus is not a "lot of sections"

Give it up Live you're making yourself look like a fool.

This is a tweet from someone who was there... were YOU there? No, thought not.

"I was there - as Leadsom came out there were about 200 Remainers by the Lords exit barriers, and 50 or so Leave idiots who had been trying to wind us up all afternoon. We jeered but the Leave lot were the ones abusing her. Same with Mogg just after, and Abbott."

Would you like to expand on your 'very different picture'? There were NO arrests. It was a peaceful March with people from all over the UK, young and old. You are insulting a great number of people. Can you link to the mob behaviour? I'd be very interested to see that as there is not one news report anywhere saying this.

"Remainers are nice"

Not all of them are. Like the leave side, there are good and bad on both sides. There's been name calling and verbal assaults in public and I've seen the evidence. That's from both sides.

As one commentator said this morning, this slogan of “Just get Brexit done so we can focus on the most important issues,” is akin to saying, “Just get giving birth over with so I can get back to reading books and getting some lie ins.”

We need a second referendum.
Thousands of people who voted last time are dead and thousands of people have reached voting age in the last three years.
We know more now than we did then,....well you do if you've bothered to take notice.
The last vote is not really relevant any more than the last election result is. We elect every five years, we don't keep the same government forever ffs.

It was bloody stupid to have the referendum in the first place. So many people on both sides are so bloody ignorant.

"Remainers are nice" I agree. All the remainers I know are nice.

Unfortunately I work in with a team of leavers. My manager is a leaver. Every day is a challenge.

I'm a bit torn re younger people would all vote remain if there was a second referendum and I say that as someone who has been on all three marches and is a passionate remainer. I have teenager DC's and most of their friends, 80% of them, would vote leave if they got the chance. I know that is just my own little voxpop but it does make me think it wouldn't all be plain sailing for a remain win.

By the way, I'd be careful what you wish for only making comments like that it's likely you wouldn't pass the intelligence test

Au contraire - I most definitely would pass. It is the useful idiots for this government who wouldn't. They can't, in the main, muster up a single positive argument for leaving. Other than, you know, sovereignty.
Why anyone would support this deal is totally beyond me. People being fed up of Brexit is not a good argument for accepting a deal that would worsen a commitment to workers' rights and environmental standards.
Take a read of Brittania Unchained - three of its authors are sitting in cabinet. It claims that British workers are the most idle in the world and that working rights are the Japanese knotweed clogging up the arteries of business.
Those are your rights that stop us becoming like the US, ten days holiday et al.
You might be prepared to settle for that but I sure as hell will not.
If this is such a great deal, put it to a vote.

Remainers are nice

People who are nice don’t jeer and call people names.

theunknown yes yes yes.

So agree with your post

The only people I saw being thuggish yesterday on the march were drunk brexiteers trying to get people to fight them. Remainers ignored them.

Talked to the police at the end who said no trouble from remainers at all. They had trouble with people purporting to support leave who were trying to incite violence.

am very much on the fence regarding brexit, I can see both sides of the argument. What I am more worried about is the governments and parliaments inability to commit to democracy. This ridiculous mess they have got themselves into is going to have far reaching consequences to future politics. We may never see a majority government again. Years of ineffective hung parliaments are likely. We are likely to damned if we leave and damned if we don’t.

It won’t be the Leave vote that runs the country into the ground.

Theworldisfullofgs and that's exactly what I heard from those I know who were on the march. LBC radio this morning with Tony Sutcliffe who said that it was the Vote Leave crowd who were heckling the MPs.

.