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To find baby animals cuter than actual babies?

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Helmlover1 · 18/10/2019 23:14

I mean, give me a cute puppy or kitten any day. Whenever anyone shows me photos of their babies/toddlers I secretly think to myself ‘my cat is so much cuter’. Anyone else feel the same?! This is a light-hearted thread by the way, no offence to anyone with young children!

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Celebelly · 20/10/2019 15:42

I think most people would save the baby! There's a massive difference between finding one thing cuter than another and valuing life or watching a human being die! I don't particularly find random babies cute or enjoy spending time with them, but I wouldn't stand and watch one drown Hmm You've got a really weird bee in your bonnet about what other people find cute. It's odd.

PralineCookie · 20/10/2019 15:43

One might say the same about certain humans that are we tend to call evil?

Well yes, many may be sociopaths but not all human beings who commit murder/rape/abuse etc are.

Hoppinggreen · 20/10/2019 15:44

Save a puppy vs save a baby?
What breed of puppy?

MitziK · 20/10/2019 16:03

Puppies can swim. Human babies generally can't.

Fucking stupidarse question

TrainspottingWelsh · 20/10/2019 16:17

Humans have more ability to reason, and in terms of empathy, have a greater capacity to learn.

The rooster is akin to an adult with severe disabilities that render them emotionally on a level with a toddler, in terms of the thought behind it. The intent is different to an intelligent, functioning adult that deliberately sets out to harm others.

We have a pony that had a tendency to kick, and not as a threat that accidentally makes contact. We haven't cured it, just the slow process of respect and learning to like/ trust us means he doesn't do it to us. He very much intends it, and tbh I wouldn't trust anyone that wasn't extremely experienced to handle him in any situation it was a possibility, there's only a very subtle brief warning.

It's not a natural herd instinct and he's just trying to dominate people, because that would be threatening, and only following through with deliberate contact if they don't back down. And it would occur in every situation he wanted his own way. So someone, somewhere, has done something that taught him kicking humans made them stop whatever they were trying to do. Whether that was deliberate cruelty or harm through an inexperienced owner, I don't know. The situations and his other behaviour certainly don't imply a psychological malfunction.

However, I'd bet my life that prior to lashing out, he isn't stood around thinking 'aha, a well placed hoof will cause really painful injuries and if I get lucky brain damage'. He's an animal, he doesn't understand the consequences beyond 'stop that'. Entirely different to if dp went round using his fists in any situation he wasn't happy with.

former obviously I'd save the baby if I had to choose, but as I have two hands I'd grab both. Doesn't mean I'd save it because it was cuter, or that unlike the puppy I'd want to keep it once it was safe.

downbutnotout2018 · 20/10/2019 16:19

YANBU

TheNavigator · 20/10/2019 16:21

Kittens are the cutest of all baby animals, and I include human babies in that. Kittens are so so cute - but grow up into bossy entitled cats very quickly.

All baby animals are cute, but kittens win.

CravingCheese · 20/10/2019 16:30

Well yes, many may be sociopaths but not all human beings who commit murder/rape/abuse etc are.

I didn't say all of them were.
And there is more to crime and psychiatry than personality disorders..
Anyhow, I just find it interesting. Bad behaviours by animals is generally attributed to mistreatment, abuse, neurological issues... And many people feel comfortable claiming that animals can't be evil.

There is of course the issue that it's more than debatable whether animals could even rape or murder.
Not due to the fact that they don't commit actions that would absolutely be called rape or murder if humans did the same... but simply because they're human concepts.

You might then of course answer that evil is a human concept as well and therefore shouldn't be used to describe animals.

But when one considers that evil in regards to humans is generally used to describe fairly substantial aberrations from commonly accepted standards of morality? Behaviour we see as 'bad', deviating from social norms and desired behaviour...? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Which brings us back to the cock I called evil.

Anyhow, I hope that made sense. I'm not a native English speaker but I think I managed to explain what I mean. 😅

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 20/10/2019 16:38

Don't really like humans at all

Actually I say it on a fairly regular basis - well, not all humans. I have many humans who I not only tolerate, but actually quite like. Some I even love. However....

I've only ever been hurt by humans
I've been made to feel an outsider by humans
I've been lied to and stolen from by humans
I've been told I'm not a proper woman or a failure as a woman by humans
I've been dismissed as weird, misunderstood, ignored, dumped because I didn't fit in anymore and treated like a piece of shit by humans.

My dogs just love me.

Grinchly · 20/10/2019 16:56

Love infant animals. Human babies - just no! Ugly, often red and scaly, smell horrid and usually puke on me. Then thé shrieking. No.

As a PP said, will hide in my office to avoid being given one to hold. They invariably sense my discomfort and start shrieking and shitting. Awful.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 20/10/2019 17:00

I do however agree with pps, I also get a bit of a chill when I hear / see other people talking / writing about how they absolutely hate children and babies.

I think most of the time it isn't so much chilling as immature/tiresome. 'I hate humans' and 'I hate babies' are the kinds of things that teenagers say to feel edgy and different, and it's just a bit pathetic when an adult is still doing it.

formerbabe · 20/10/2019 18:22

It's a weirdly British thing...when you go abroad, especially to southern Europe and the people are welcoming to babies and children but there's plenty of stray cats. In the UK, people are more likely to tut at the children and feed the strays...

CravingCheese · 20/10/2019 18:41

@formerbabe
People in Istanbul actually do both. That's at least whet it seemed like to me (tourist).

Like cats and babies, btw. Not dislike cats and babies.

PralineCookie · 20/10/2019 18:50

So what if it's a supposed British trait? I'm sure most countries have traits that are "unique" to them. It doesn't make it wrong, though personally I know animal lovers from many nations.

Besides why the fuck should I fuss over someone's toddler who has a loving and involved parent with them? They're not going to keel over like Tinkerbell if I don't chant "I love babies" or if I don't make a fuss of them. The stray cat is much more in need of my attention.(And cuter)

Humans aren't the only species on this planet that matters.

formerbabe · 20/10/2019 18:58

Love of animals is not natural trait...it's a result of social conditioning. It's probably quite far removed from our natural human instinct.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 20/10/2019 19:51

Besides why the fuck should I fuss over someone's toddler who has a loving and involved parent with them? They're not going to keel over like Tinkerbell if I don't chant "I love babies" or if I don't make a fuss of them.

See, this is a classic example of how you just make yourself sound like a petulant teenager

PralineCookie · 20/10/2019 20:02

Love of animals is not natural trait...it's a result of social conditioning. It's probably quite far removed from our natural human instinct.

Because the way we live now is so natural of course. Also considering how long humans and dogs have been living and working together I'm not so sure that's true.

I'm not so sure that loving all OPC is natural either. Unless they are of our "tribe" or we wish to procreate with them. other people and their children are competitors for resources.

PralineCookie · 20/10/2019 20:05

See, this is a classic example of how you just make yourself sound like a petulant teenager

I give not a fuck. Also I haven't claimed that I hate children. I don't particularly care for them(except newborns) and often find them annoying and they trigger many of my sensory issues but I do care about their welfare generally, and think that they should be protected and cared for. It doesn't mean that I'm obliged to fuss over them at every opportunity though.

raskolnikova · 20/10/2019 20:46

It's a weirdly British thing...when you go abroad, especially to southern Europe and the people are welcoming to babies and children but there's plenty of stray cats. In the UK, people are more likely to tut at the children and feed the strays...

Personally I think leaving animals to die on the streets is, morally, a bit worse than 'tutting' at children Hmm

CravingCheese · 20/10/2019 20:49

Personally I think leaving animals to die on the streets is, morally, a bit worse than 'tutting' at children hmm

Well, yes. Same. But seeing as I pay others to kill animals.... Idk if I have a leg to stand on tbh. (not talking about intentional animal cruelty, obviously. That's a different issue than letting 'just' them die imo.)

TrainspottingWelsh · 20/10/2019 21:01

If we're going to say what is natural, I'd say humans love of children is just as much social conditioning. If an animal doesn't want to raise its young for any reason, it walks away. It doesn't act like a good parent and abuse its offspring when nobody is around. Humans do.

Animals will kill and eat the young of other species, but there aren't millennia of history where they sell them into slavery.

When competition for resources is removed, animals will raise young that aren't even the same species, and even with limited resources it's not unusual for them to raise young from the same pack that aren't their own. Animals also coexist with each other in mutually beneficial situations.

Meanwhile humans need parenting support, social services, and lots of other interventions to care for their dc. It's humans that possess the least natural nurturing instincts.

I'm not sure why pointing out that some countries have even lower standards for animal welfare than the uk proves it's social conditioning.

raskolnikova · 20/10/2019 21:04

Well, yes. Same. But seeing as I pay others to kill animals.... Idk if I have a leg to stand on tbh. (not talking about intentional animal cruelty, obviously. That's a different issue than letting 'just' them die imo.)

You pay others to kill animals? I'm guessing you're referring to the meat industry and the like? (Or you literally do that?!)

I would say that letting stray animals die on the streets is intentional animal cruelty, since people first had to intentionally abandon them, and then others turn a blind eye to their suffering. (Although I have to say there are usually people who do do something. I don't know about the whole of southern Europe, but in Spain there usually seems to be volunteers looking after cat colonies.)

CravingCheese · 20/10/2019 21:19

You pay others to kill animals? I'm guessing you're referring to the meat industry and the like? (Or you literally do that?!)

Yes. I literally do that. Due to consuming delicious foods like dairy. And we payed an exterminator to... Well, exterminate / kill before we moved into our new house.
I also pay for 'cruelty free' snail pellets (cruelty free because they don't also kill hedgehogs, birds etc).

My nonna used to feed the local stray cats.
And her dogs were rescues. Two were brought to her by neighbours.. So yeah, people do care. There are simply less resources.

I do however think there's a difference between not doing anything and intentionally doing additional harm tbh.

Luxembourgmama · 20/10/2019 21:23

Doesn't everyone. I don't find human babies cute in general apart from my own kids.

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