To think that Scottish Independence is now inevitable and who can blame them, so good luck Scotland!

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That’s it really. Unfortunately, I think this Brexit deal will probably go through tomorrow. But even if there was a referendum, people will probably vote for whatever deal going because everyone is demented with Brexit fatigue. And even if we did remain following another referendum, there would be so much backlash and unpleasantness from certain elements of the far right it doesn’t bear thinking about.

It’s extemely depressing. I’m in a Remain London Borough. Never really met a Brexiteer, but what can you do?

I can’t imagine how livid the Scottish people must feel though. Their referendum was fairly marginal, but I think if they’d seen this coming the Scottish independence vote would have won through.

Anyway, NS is definitely gearing up for another Scottish referendum and who could blame her? At least Scotland have the option of getting out of this nightmare. I’m sure they’ll be independent within a year or so and good for them. I wish them all the best.

AIBU to think the legacy of Brexit will be Scottish Independence and the end of the UK as we know it?

I really hope Scotland stays in the UK. If they choose to leave and wish to join the EU, it won't be easy ( Albania and North Macedonia will testify to that today!).

If Scotland was to renter or remain within the Eu, any trade deals would be on the same basis as the EU.

If I were the SNP I would put of the racist tripe on here on their website. Trade deals because “RUK feels sorry for Scotland”. Scotland “quite small and quite poor”

Actually Scotland is the wealthiest area in the Uk outside London and the commuter belt.

@parky04 - not really comparable countries though, are they

Also, Westminster have to agree to the vote.
I can't see them agreeing to another referendum for quite a while.

Thank you OP, its good to see that the bias media aren't fooling everyone outside of Scotland!

Right wing to the south, lefties to the north..

Still yes

Lol @Rumboogie - compensating BP for extracting North Sea oil????? It’s.a private company which has paid the Uk government for drilling licenses and taxes and profited handsomely out of it.

How about compensation to the Scottish people for all the oil revenues guzzled by RUK in the 80s?

Well I live in SW London and, in three years, I don’t think I’ve never met anyone who voted Brexit. Even though most people are Tory voters (probably not anymore though). The only people I’ve met who voted Briexit are elderly and live in the North West and they voted Leave to “get our old money back.”

So if I can feel alienated living here with Westminster a few miles away, I can only imagine how alienated most Scottish must feel and I can’t understand how that country are being dragged out of the EU and told they should be delighted about it. It’s so patronising.

And why the hell did Wales vote leave? This I find most odd if all.

DH and I are late 20’s professionals. We live in an up market and educated area. The notion that it’s only low income ‘far right’ northerners who voted for Brexit (and this does seem to be general opinion) is total tosh. We know Dr’s, accountants, teachers ...who voted leave!
Personally we see both sides (neither option was perfect) the only thing we agree on is that - if leaving the EU was really so horrific for the country - it should NEVER have been put into the hands of the British public!

Right now I think the whole country is just sick and tired of the fumbling and delays. It feels as though we’ve stood still for the past 2 years 🙄 waiting to see.

I’d rather it just happened and we can deal with the side effects. Scotland have had a pretty good deal for a long time (free uni/higher budgets for school meals/ better NHS provisions) - DH is Scottish 😂

So if they want to be independent then fine.

And why the hell did Wales vote leave?

I think the Times did some research that said it was retired people from England (living in Wales) voting Leave that took Wales over the line.

I’d rather it just happened

I think you're going to be very disappointed, whichever way this goes it's going to drag on for at least another decade.

They’d sink like a stone. They’d never get in the EU for a start

Disneymademedoit - who was it made this happen? That would be the Scottish Parliament, choosing how to divide up their money. West minister could do this too if it was a priority to them.
Scotland have had a pretty good deal for a long time (free uni/higher budgets for school meals/ better NHS provisions)

Scotland has 1/3 of the UK's land area - have a look at the BBC's updated weather map.

No idea why anyone thinks Brexit will lead to Independence just because Nippy says so. If this were the case she wouldn't need to keep banging on about it all the time to justify herself to her acolytes. The same sorry lot shuttlecocking between demos in George Square and Holyrood incessantly aren't convincing or persuasive either.

Financially Scotland can survive, huge revenues are sent to Westminster and only a fraction given back.
Stop being small & scared and be tall & brave!

Now where have I heard that logic before 🤔

Scotland would struggle to become an EU member on their own

So much tripe spouted on this page by people who obviously have no idea about Scotland's resources and potential. I mean - comparing Scotland with Albania?

For me as a Scot living in Scotland, the prospect of independence is the only light at the end of the tunnel which is the current UK clusterbourach.

Lots of work has been done on how an independent Scotland could function. If you want to know more, look at the Commonweal website, for example - so many exciting and well-thought-through ideas for a different and fairer way of running our country.

Scotland has the potential to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Current figures on the value of the Scottish economy are under-reported by the UK government and are not accurate. And once we are independent, we can have economic policies aimed at supporting our industries rather than the current UK policies which, for example, are harming our renewables sector.

And no, an independent Scotland would not have Queen Nicola on the throne. In fact, it may not even have the SNP as a major party. Lots of current SNP supporters will migrate to other parties (existing and new) once we are independent.

PS anyone who wants to move here will be made most welcome!

I voted no for independence but now after alot of things I think I would vote for Scottish independence One of the things that has changed my opinion is I have noticed a very much more so fuck off Scotland attitude recently I know it's not everyone but there has definitely been alot more anti Scottish attitude but it's nice to know that it's not your opinion op 😁

blueberry I'll have some of what you're on. Where are these credible oppositions to the SNP you speak of? Singapore on Spey is it?

Don't disagree with you on Gers or jibberish on the thread btw but I don't fall for all the Commonweal platitudes either.

Oil?? Ha ha ha. Take a trip to Aberdeen.

As for renewable resources aka wind farms, I think the tourism industry have some strong words to say about that.

But we still have whisky (now getting taxed at 25% by the Americans)

I am 100% pro independence. but don't think it is inevetable at all. I think a lot of no voters are even more entrenched in their wish to be part of the union, see the rise in the tory vote which is mainly a protest against the SNP.

What @RaspberryRoyale and @dementedma said. It was a once in a lifetime referendum and should never be repeated. If the worst happened I expect a lot of English people currently paying Scottish taxes would have to sell up and go home leaving the country even poorer. The SNP doesn’t speak for all of Scotland.

It's an inevitability. Few harsh winters and a bout of flu will see to that if nothing else.

Oh, and for the umpteenth time, for the benefit of ignorant Yoons, Gaelic on road signs and police cars was a 2006 Labour act. Bugger all to do with the SNP. I'm sure that won't stop you repeating it ad infinitum though, as facts appear to be irrelevant when it comes to a typical "SNP BAAAAAD!" moan. Such an utterly ludicrous and irrelevant thing to be basing constitutional decisions on in the first place, but in keeping with the total lack of rationality common to Yoons.

I hope to see it in my lifetime.
I’ve kept the champagne we had for 2014, just in case so the sooner the better really before it goes off.

Yes good luck to Scotland if they go for it. Personally I want independence for London and maybe we can have an alliance with Manchester and Liverpool?

London is constantly slagged off for all manner of reasons and it’s clear we are not aligned to much of England politically with London (Manchester and Liverpool) voting to remain. I’m sure the many people who constantly slag us off won’t miss us so it’s a win win.

We can definitely survive as an independent city state.

I’m Scottish and don’t want another referendum, preferably ever! They cause nothing but trouble and given all the issues with Brexit I have no desire to go through it all again (but much worse, as we’re talking about breaking up a country here).

Don’t make the mistake of assuming that Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP speak for Scotland on this, they hold power because the Unionist vote is split. They were also not remotely bothered about leaving the EU in 2014 when Independence would have meant automatic withdrawal (confirmed by the EU top brass at the time) so all the teeth gnashing sounds a little hollow now. It’s just the latest excuse to push for separation, if the vote had been remain they would have found something else.