To think that Scottish Independence is now inevitable and who can blame them, so good luck Scotland!

[GoodLuckWeNeedIt]

That’s it really. Unfortunately, I think this Brexit deal will probably go through tomorrow. But even if there was a referendum, people will probably vote for whatever deal going because everyone is demented with Brexit fatigue. And even if we did remain following another referendum, there would be so much backlash and unpleasantness from certain elements of the far right it doesn’t bear thinking about.

It’s extemely depressing. I’m in a Remain London Borough. Never really met a Brexiteer, but what can you do?

I can’t imagine how livid the Scottish people must feel though. Their referendum was fairly marginal, but I think if they’d seen this coming the Scottish independence vote would have won through.

Anyway, NS is definitely gearing up for another Scottish referendum and who could blame her? At least Scotland have the option of getting out of this nightmare. I’m sure they’ll be independent within a year or so and good for them. I wish them all the best.

AIBU to think the legacy of Brexit will be Scottish Independence and the end of the UK as we know it?

It’s a mess. I can’t believe this is going to happen. What really is the bloody point in making us all poorer and splitting the union. We’ll have gone from being an influential power to little England (and wales). But we get a blue passport so yay!

How would you define who gets to live in an independent state of London?

Whether Scotland can afford to be independent is out for debate; it depends on who you ask that one. It certainly isn't 'very small' though, that's not debatable.

I do think it's also not debatable that either Wales or Northern Ireland could afford independence. Northern Ireland could of course leave and become united with the Republic of Ireland. Political shit show of that aside.

One thing Brexit has made transparent is the high level of political, historical and economic ignorance a huge number of people have. You might add geographical to that too in some cases!

I was against Independence for Scotland for a very long time.

Now I think it’s the only hope of maintaining any kind of decent society

Anyone who has a home address within the M25 (so that may include some non-London postcodes) can live in the independent city state of London. However, I’m sure they wouldn’t allow me to dictate the rules .

Tellmetruth4 I don't live there but was born there so I'm presuming I'll be allowed back in?

Nothing is inevitable - especially in Scotland (history, religion, immigration - even from within the UK) Don't hold your breath.

PS I live here.

Tellmetruth4 we could use the M25 as the foundations for a big wall

I wasn’t able to vote in the last Indyref because I live outside Scotland, but if this Brexit deal goes through then bring it on with Indyref 2. Scotland has been ignored by this vile and inhumane government in Westminster, it’s not going to get better.

So I voted no before as I was very concerned about the financial and economic repercussions. However we now face years of economic turmoil as we extricate ourselves from the EU , so if that’s what we face anyway this is the best time to become independent.
The current UK government is an embarrassment. It is morally bankrupt and has no concern for the wider population. I have no desire to be ruled by elite ignorant old Etonians whose greatest skill is the ability to lie through their teeth and simultaneously believe that the electorate are taken in by the superficial charm.
Ireland are in a terrible position but at least their views are being considered. These people give zero fucks about Scotland.

www.fxcm.com/uk/insights/what-effect-would-scottish-independence-have-on-world-business/

weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2018/05/23/can-scotland-afford-not-to-become-independent/
Oh and we won't be needing nuclear weapons or be paying for High speed rail links. We also only need a defence force as last time we actually got properly invaded was 1746!

See my first question on my road to supporting Independence was, why on earth are Westminster soooooo desperate to keep us if we are so poor, so wee and a drain on the UK economy. Once you find the answer to that, it became clear why I was going to vote yes.
Many countries have declared independence from Westminster rule. Including the USA. Scotland is the first country to say no..
Czechoslakia split into the Czech republic and Slovakia in early 90s and practically no one noticed for years. Done very amicably and quickly. Its only because the UK government are making such a bloody fuss, that Brexit is the shitshow it is. Scotland already has its own legal system, education system, Social Security system (now), financial system, so it won't be the nightmare we all think.
To English people wishing to move here, well you would be made very welcome. Weather is a bit shitter but that's what makes the place beautiful. And I say that as an English born person living here.

And there is a very large English Scots for Yes movement in Scotland. Which I am a part of , and there was a tea party on the border..😂. I proudly carried my St George as well as my Saltire at one of the Indy marches.

I'm Scottish and I'm sick and tired of it all. Brexit better go through or it could become a never ending nightmare. Also, I'll never vote for independence.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us that’s not true at all re the EU (or its “top brass” if such a thing exists).

@SusanneLinder - that’s lovely to hear and great to see such a good counter to all the “indy ref causes hate” trope.

I was one of the ones who voted "yes" to independence before, and I certainly will again. We need out of this shit show

I’m sure Scotland will go independent now and good for them

I sincerely hope we dont. Itll be a cold day in hell before I vote for independence or for SNP

YANBU and I really hope the people of Scotland don’t bottle it this time. Scotland needs to be independent, we cannot flourish in the current state of affairs, with the Tory governments that we never voted for.
@SusanneLinder YES, exactly, why are they so desperate to keep hold of us ??

Also, please don’t conflate supporting Scottish independence with supporting the SNP. The independence movement is not linked to just one political party. In my view, my desire for independence is philosophically & morally motivated - not politically motivated - as I believe in self determination and the opportunity to create a more egalitarian society.

@RedGlitter I feel the same. As does my family. I can’t think of anything worse for Scotland right now.

@Velveteenfruitbowl "it seems quite poor and very small. I just don’t understand why they would want to split."

This is the classic "too wee, too puir, too stupit" argument.

Scotland isnt poor.

We have wind and tide. We have water. We have arable land. We have forestation and wildlife. We also have agriculture, distilling, oil extraction and processing and fish farming. We have significant academic institutions, high quality public education and a really good NHS, keeping our workforce relevant and healthy. Our exports are shipped though English ports and are credited as English exports, despite that our GDP is higher than Ireland.

We are not "very small". Our population is larger than Ireland, our landmass is 30.5K compared to Englands 50.3K, its total landmass is 78K compared with Englands 130K and our coastline is 10K compared with England's 2k. The size of Scotland was changed under Blair who transferred some of Scotland's seawaters to England, prior to the Scottish Parliament being established. You might think its "very small" because BBC maps are distorted and angled to give the impression that Scotland is much smaller than it is.

If you dont understand why we want to split, it is not us who are too stupid. Lots of us understand very well why we need to escape this toxic union, but still some of us feel differently and are still attached to an idea of Britain that never existed. To support Scottish Independence is to look forward to what we can build rather than looking backwards fearful of the future and what it holds.

So let's say Scotland becomes independent of the rest of UK, after Brexit. How will it pay for itself once the rest of the UK removes its business, such as naval and nuclear. Now let's say it can't join the EU as it doesn't meet the financial tests....how will it survive? Alternatively let's say it joins the EU.... That means a hard border with England so forget about popping over for cheaper goods etc. As for working abroad as that is what it will be, that won't be automatic. An independent Scotland wouldn't pose the same problems or considerations as the Northern Ireland problem as Scotland doesn't have a unique relationship to protect. It would be an entirely independent country and subject to treatment as other bordering EU countries, like France, Netherlands etc, and who knows what our future relationship with those will really be.

Their mistake last time was in only letting Scotland residents vote, had it been nationwide they would have got it hands down!

SNP now speaking in Parliament. They are right, the Tory’s don’t give a fig about Scotland. BJ mentioned NI 13 times in his speech, Scotland was not mentioned once.

The SNP doesn’t speak for all of Scotland

Well thankfully they have been voted in as the Scottish Government so that's how democracy works.

Itll be a cold day in hell before I vote for independence or for SNP

That's your choice, as it others to vote differently. And the SNP I suspect will get even more seats than they did the last time if there was an election just now.