To think that Scottish Independence is now inevitable and who can blame them, so good luck Scotland!

[GoodLuckWeNeedIt]

That’s it really. Unfortunately, I think this Brexit deal will probably go through tomorrow. But even if there was a referendum, people will probably vote for whatever deal going because everyone is demented with Brexit fatigue. And even if we did remain following another referendum, there would be so much backlash and unpleasantness from certain elements of the far right it doesn’t bear thinking about.

It’s extemely depressing. I’m in a Remain London Borough. Never really met a Brexiteer, but what can you do?

I can’t imagine how livid the Scottish people must feel though. Their referendum was fairly marginal, but I think if they’d seen this coming the Scottish independence vote would have won through.

Anyway, NS is definitely gearing up for another Scottish referendum and who could blame her? At least Scotland have the option of getting out of this nightmare. I’m sure they’ll be independent within a year or so and good for them. I wish them all the best.

AIBU to think the legacy of Brexit will be Scottish Independence and the end of the UK as we know it?

Why would people think Independence from Europe is a bad idea but independence from Scotland’s biggest trading partner, separate currency, border controls etc with England and still outside the EU (because the UK would be) is a good idea? The SNP can hardly claim ‘oil will save us’ this time though perhaps that is why they have kept quiet about the tens of thousands of job losses and redundancies from the oil industry since last time.

“Can Scotland become independent and make England a colony?
Asking for a friend.“

Well I must admit I don’t fully understand why a Scots king taking the English throne didn’t result in that anyway! (I get he had mummy issues that kinda made him hate his own country but I’m sure there’s more to it than that!)

I voted no last time, I’d be a yes this time ESPECIALLY if we were assured entrance into the EU upon achieving independence.

I do believe brexit will = collapse of the union and I think there’s even a possibility of NI also choosing independence, Wales I’m not so sure of.

And I agree that following independence snp would basically become defunct anyway. With luck we’d have several completely new parties to choose from.

“Do people still really believe this old shit?” Yep they also believe Westminster subsidises Scotland massively and that we’re basically sponging off England.

Not being able to be in Europe was a reason used against independence last time. Now we won't be in it anyway. More chance of getting back in as an independent country than as part of UK.

I'd be very interested in the relationship NI might wish to have with an independent Scotland.

Why would people think Independence from Europe is a bad idea but independence from Scotland’s biggest trading partner, separate currency, border controls etc with England and still outside the EU (because the UK would be) is a good idea?

God knows. The same ridiculous reasons that people had voting to leave the EU I suppose.

@ny20005 I have been a few times to various parts. It’s very pretty and I quite liked it but I just don’t get independence. It’s very small both in terms of geographical coverage and population and doesn’t seem to have any ostensible source of wealth. I just don’t understand the motivation for leaving. I can understand why someone would want to live there 100% but I just don’t understand what people think independence will achieve.

As I understand it, Scotland is completely awake as regards the oil industry, which is why there has been such heavy investment in renewable energy. It also has a massive tourism industry and a substantial food and drink industry, both of which will be massively hit by Brexit and could only benefit from rejoining the EU as an independent nation. Everyone knows it's not foregone, but since Day 1 the EU has indicated it would be open to an approach by Scotland.

But this is exactly the kind of uncertainty I'm talking about, otherwise I probably wouldn't hesitate to move there.

According to 1 pundit I heard no deal Brexit uk/Scotland fucked for 50 years vs Scottish independence fucked for 45-50 years.
So if its true I'll take fucked for 50 years and independence over staying with England and being fucked over by them on top of being just generally being fucked

Until Scotland actually votes for independence, I don’t think anything can be assumed.

Given that the polls have not budged for 5 years and remain pretty constant at 55% no to independence then of course it is not inevitable.

And after the mess that Brexit has been trying to get out of the EU after 40 odd years in can you imagine what a mess Scexit would be after 300 years of union.

I was no thanks in 2014 and am no thanks still today.

I hope if there is another indyref that there is an honest briefing of the pros and cons and a real assessment of the realities, especially financial. We cannot afford a re-run of the last indyref or of the Remain and Leave campaigns which all relied on emotional manipulation.

Do the Scots realise, for example that much of the N Sea oilfield lies in English waters? (currently an irrelevance as the oil is UK oil). Or that Scotland will not be able to use Sterling? Or that they will not be given automatic entry to the EU? They will lose the approx £8.7 billion fiscal transfer from England plus the approx £25 billion spent by Westminster on their behalf?

ATM Scotland is insulated from the gap between its revenues and government spending undertaken in or on behalf of Scotland because Scotland gets most of its funding from a block grant from the UK Govt, and the UK Govt uses revenues from across the UK to pay for non-devolved items, eg. social security and defence, so in effect you could say that Scotland is being paid twice over, almost.

Although Scotland contributes through oil revenues, it does not offset this, and it is not a greater contributer to the economy than London.

Scotland would also have to agree to shoulder a proportion of the UK debt burden.

The Scot Nats have peddled this fiction that Scotland can be financially sucessful independently, but this bears much closer examination.

I don't blame them if they decide to leave. The UK is a broken country that will take decades to recover, regardless of what happens with Brexit.

Scotland doesn't have any source of wealth?

North sea oil in English water? 🤔

I am sure one of the big point last time was wether Scotland would be allowed to keep the oil or wether they would have to give that up.

I cant quite remember If that was resolved though.

You do realise that English waters(territory ends 15 miles off the coast of England and at the Scottish border

I live in Scotland, I’m amazed that on seeing the chaos of brexit, where 50 % of the country has opposite views to the future direction of the UK than the other 50%, that people think a great idea is to have another fucking referendum where half of Scotland disagrees with the other half! Basically - another brexit type monumental fuck up! Beggars belief. The last thing I want is another 5 years of uncertainty because of another referendum, especially one which is a repeat of one we had 5 years ago which was ‘once in a generation’. Why is a referendum where the result is to keep the status quo, not as binding where the answer is yes? We’re not allowed a second brexit referendum now we know the chaos, but we have to have independence referendums shoved down our throats until we’re fed up and leave!

I'm Scottish.

The majority of my family voted No in IndyRef but are also remainers.

Disorderly Brexit means that virtually everyone would now support Independence.

If we have economic chaos we might as well have it for an outcome where we can't get screwed over by a bunch of overgrown public schoolboys.

Not to mention recompense for the HUGE financial bailout of RBS and the benefit of much higher levels of public spending from Whitehall over a very long time.
As far as oil goes, there must also be some recognition also of the contribution of London-based groups such as BP for their role in extracting the oil at HUGE initial expense.

Clearly a complex question financially and the Scots should not end up as well off as they seem to think they will.

YABVVVVVU

I'm scottish and if independence happens I'm on the first flight out of here.

@Fatshedra
Very ignorant views; named person scheme has been sidelined and your racist comments show your ignorance.

The main fault with NO voters is the lack of information they have, they go with what they see in the newspapers. Educate yourself, don’t believe the scaremongering.
Independence isn’t aligning yourself for evermore with SNP, it’s about wanting better for future generations.
Financially Scotland can survive, huge revenues are sent to Westminster and only a fraction given back.
Stop being small & scared and be tall & brave!

Not a chance of this happening due to fuck up of government by the SNP.

@Velveteenfruitbowl

Scotland has a larger population than Ireland. Scotland has oil, whiskey, tourism & renewable energy