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To let you know that Flora

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GladAllOver · 13/10/2019 18:44

isn't the only product made by Upfield.
You might want to be aware of some others:

Upfield's notable brands include Flora, Stork, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter, Rama, Country Crock, Becel, and Blue Band.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upfield_(company)

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WhatTiggersDoBest · 13/10/2019 19:23

Honestly I'm glad if Flora etc have stopped advertising their garbage on this site. I'd much rather see the adverts for Ed Byrne's UK tour, a TV streaming service, and the Derry Slow Food Festival, all of which I clicked on and considered going for (and I'll probably get the tickets for Ed Byrne because he's fab and I know DH would love an outing).
I don't buy any of what they laughingly liken to butter.
I am pro-trans but I like the fact that Mumsnet is a site where nobody lives in an echo chamber and it would piss me off if that changed as this is basically one of the last places on the internet where we can talk to people who don't all just parrot the same spiel, and where nearly everything is open for discussion.

JasonPollack · 13/10/2019 19:25

Now, what am I going to do with all this margerine Hmm

AutumnRose1 · 13/10/2019 19:32

TheFatberg you posted that just for the irony of your username didn't you 😂

RolytheRhino · 13/10/2019 19:36

Now, what am I going to do with all this margerine

You may as well eat it, if you've already paid for it. No sense wasting it all.

Cantrememberpassword · 13/10/2019 19:43

I always buy butter not that processed crap. What about the rights of everyone not just a minority group.

NotTonightJosepheen · 13/10/2019 19:45

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ControversialFerret · 13/10/2019 19:45

Defending women's rights is not "anti trans". There are a small, but vocal minority who feel that anything other than unquestioning acceptance means that you are a bigot.

In the majority of cases women are simply trying to come together to talk about how they feel about proposed changes, whether this presents an issue for single-sex services and rights. In return they have been intimidated, shouted down, heckled, subjected to relentless campaigns to get them sacked, dragged through the courts and in some cases physically attacked.

In relation to Upfield's decision to sever ties with Mumsnet - I'd have more respect for their decision if I thought it was genuinely motivated. But given the fact that they have waited to announce their change in policy after they've obtained a load of review data on their new product from willing MNers, suggests to me that this is nothing more than virtue signalling done on the cheap.

Upfield is also missing the point that women are incredibly influential in domestic purchasing decisions. If they were to walk to an average high street, say in Doncaster, and ask shoppers there if they thought that women have penises, they'd be met with disbelief and laughter.

colourlessgreenidea · 13/10/2019 19:49

Kudos to Flora etc for taking a stand against transphobia.

Direct me to the alleged transphobia, please?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 13/10/2019 19:51

Thanks OP. Thankfully I'm pro trans rights so I'll add them all to the shopping list!

I'm using Flora next time we need marg too. (Find it weird me saying this, as I recognise there's some valid self ID concerns, but I'm increasingly not liking the growing anti trans stance here lately)
We already use it as it's plant based/vegan - we use this and Pure.
Bring on the Flora!

AdalindMeisner · 13/10/2019 19:52

Thanks OP. Thankfully I'm pro trans rights so I'll add them all to the shopping list!

With you on that!

Apollo440 · 13/10/2019 19:53

By pro trans you mean against any sex based provision for women. i.e. changing rooms, toilets hospital wards, domestic violence shelters, short lists where women are under represented, scholarships, sports to name a few? And that any man that says he is a woman should have unchallenged access to all of the above purely on his self declaration? And by transphobia and hate you constantly accuse Mumsnet of you mean questioning any this narrative and not accepting it blindly?
Just clear that up for me.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 13/10/2019 19:55

Can you show me one example of “trans bashing”?

Oo, ooh -
I have done before, several times.
There is absolutely no point whatsoever "showing" you as every time it's nope, nope, that's not one - it subsequently gets deleted cos actually it is - "and then it's WTF, MN? What did ah doooo?!"
Even when pointed out under noses it's "didn't happen."
Erm.....
Ok then lol

joffreyscoffee · 13/10/2019 19:57

the MN trans-bashers

The what?

You've got to be kidding right Hmm MN is a nest for trans-bashing.

.. and for the record, most people choose Flora etc. Because they don't eat dairy so it not being as good for you as real butter is irrelevant. It's certainly better for animal welfare and the environment.

StealthNinjaMum · 13/10/2019 19:57

Thank you op I will avoid all of them. I do use flora (habit really as I don't particularly like it) but will switch to something else.

Apollo440 · 13/10/2019 19:58

So by your admission Mumsnet only allows respectful debate as it will delete anything that breaches their talk guidelines. So what you want is for women to not even discuss the issues. Got you.

HermioneWeasley · 13/10/2019 19:58

If Upfield doesn’t think that women should be allowed to discuss their sex based rights, I doubt they want my filthy bigoted money

ShowOfHands · 13/10/2019 20:00

I'm pro trans rights too. Most gender critical feminists are. I want them afforded the same rights available to all human beings. Those rights need to include sex based protections and exemptions.

Flora is unpleasant anyway so won't buy it but they have been seriously misled.

NotTonightJosepheen · 13/10/2019 20:00

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NotTonightJosepheen · 13/10/2019 20:01

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youllhavehadyourtea · 13/10/2019 20:01

Flora (the Vegan certified one) contains milk solids and is not suitable for those with milk allergies (according to Flora's own labelling,)

Palm oil is good for the environment? eh?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 13/10/2019 20:01

So what you want is for women to not even discuss the issues. Got you

I'm not sure whose comment you're referring to, but if it's mine I haven't said anything like that at all, nothing wrong with discussing self ID concerns etc, I think it's good that MN stands up for free speech.
BUT, but it goes way beyond that for some posters and threads. That's where the problem lies IMO

Drabarni · 13/10/2019 20:01

I don't buy them, there's something wrong with putting that plastic shit in your body.
It never goes off and flies won't land on it.
Isn't that reason enough.

Apollo440 · 13/10/2019 20:02

Just accept that the definition of woman is 'adult human female and any male who says they are too' and it'll all be fine. Until then MN is a hotbed of hate and transphobia for daring to ask questions.

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/10/2019 20:04

Go buy some with a fiver like these ones Grin

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Wheat2Harvest · 13/10/2019 20:08

Kudos to Flora etc for taking a stand against transphobia.

Being concerned about the impact of trans activism on young people who are confused about their sexuality (which is not unusual) is hardly transphobia.