Women were asked what they would do if men had to be in by 9

[Pieceofpurplesky]

AIBU that the answers to this make me really sad

www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/10/01/women-imagine-life-men-9pm-curfew-eye-opener/2/

www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/10/01/women-imagine-life-men-9pm-curfew-eye-opener/2/

Sorry if this has been done

But when the discussion is generalising on men as a whole, instead of some men, then it is talking about all of them

We don't need - when discussing an issues with males - to be told NAMALT.

Saying "men as a class are an issue" isn't suggesting every male is a problem.

I know good men. The reason they're good men is because they acknowledge (a) their privilege and (b) the issues of their class.

And those men who are harassing kids in uniform? I bet they have a mum/sister/partner/friend etc who would say they are one of the good ones

The thing is we are not talking about men's experiences. We are talking about women's.

So, no 'Not All Men' of course - but if someone is walking behind you at night and it's a man you feel less safe than if it's a man. And you are less safe if it's a man.

It's about turning the subject of the conversation around. Don't prevent women going out in case they are a victim, prevent men going out in case they are a perpetrator. Only one of those has ever been seriously suggested in society. Obviously neither should happen.

But when the discussion is generalising on men as a whole, instead of some men, then it is talking about all of them.

The discussion is what women would do differently if men had a 9pm curfew. It is nothing to do with men. The world is, at that point, women only. And the result is, of course, that we see many many woman answer that yes, they would be in the pub, having a jog, walking home from the library instead of getting a taxi.

The premise doesn't assume anything at all about all men. It does assume that women alter their behaviour in order to avoid some men. That's pretty telling.

If you flip it around, and ask men what they would do if women had a curfew from 9pm i can guess that some, if they were honest, say "go down the pub with my mates and smell each others farts/play darts/watch sport". And some would say - stay at home with my OH because it's boring without her.

And some might rub their hands with glee because they can knock 7 kinds of shit out of her and nobody will be any the wiser. But of course they don't need a curfew for that because lots of women impose a curfew on themselves/perpetrators of DV don't need any excuses.

Personally I'd feel nights out would be boring or bitchy.

I'm lucky that I've never had any issues with men. I've had more issues with other women 😐

And a curfew on just men would be sexist, and outright offensive to many men who have done no wrong

That would be nice as it means hubby won’t have late nights all the time

And those men who are harassing kids in uniform? I bet they have a mum/sister/partner/friend etc who would say they are one of the good ones

so basically ALL men are evil, are they?

FFS

I don't actually support a curfew on men, just to be clear. But it's interesting how many people are arguing that it would be unfair to curtail men in this way, but seem to not mind the fact that women's activities are curtailed all the time due to safety concerns.

So, instead of saying "well that's never happened to me, so this wouldn't help!" why don't you say "sorry that some men suck. I wish you could feel safe leaving the house at night"

we all agree with that, the problem is that for some posters it's not SOME, it's ALL - and that what I find ridiculous, and completely undermining the issue.

The bitter man-hating brigade is not helping. What kind of life do they have when they genuinely hate half of the population. It's puzzling.

but seem to not mind the fact that women's activities are curtailed all the time due to safety concerns.

if you were talking about SOME women's activities, I couldn't disagree. My own activities are never been curtailed due to men, so don't talk on behalf of all women.

The bitter man-hating brigade is not helping.

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The bitter man-hating brigade is not helping. What kind of life do they have when they genuinely hate half of the population. It's puzzling

This is so utterly puerile. I’m sorry you’ve got such a poor grasp of the issue despite the posts on the thread.

Juells I've always naively assumed that they were an invention from sexists idiots -then I started to do a bit of research on the subject.
Sometimes I am embarrassed to be a woman when I read them.

JacquesHammer
no, it's fine, you hate ALL men, go for it.

And because of some cases about abusive and criminal mothers, all mothers are abusers too, aren't they? Let's be consistent.

Sometimes I am embarrassed to be a woman

Ah stop, you're killing me 😂😂😂

proves my point....

Sometimes I am embarrassed to be a woman

I’m certainly embarrassed for you.

I mean I appreciate it’s a thread with some difficult concepts but do at least try to apply some basic comprehension before making yourself look any more of a twit.

anyoneseenmykeys
JacquesHammer
no, it's fine, you hate ALL men, go for it.

You're being very goady. Also, making the thread all about you.

anyoneseenmykeys you are a woman and you have never changed your behaviour because of a man? You go running wherever you like, whenever you like? You've never texted a friend to say you're home safe? You've never crossed the road because a man is walking behind you in the dark? You've never had your keys ready in your hand miles before home in case you have to run for it or use them as a weapon? You've never made sure you've met a date in a crowded place rather than at your or his home? Never? Seriously? Not because you think all men will hurt you but because one might- realistically, one might? I don't believe you.

Threads like this are amazing aren't they?

Posters on thread patiently try to explain: "Look, this is a thought experiment - not a serious proposal. It's like those runaway trolley and set of points thought experiments in first year philosophy courses - meant to make you think. And yes, we get that NAMALT - it's just that you can't tell at a glance whether the man behind you on the dark street is one of the majority of NAMALT, or the tiny minority who're a problem. And it's interesting, isn't it, that even proposing it as a thought experiment provokes such a reaction, when police forces suggesting in all seriousness that women might be sensible to stay indoors at night when a serial rapist is on the loose provokes no reaction at all."

Response... "You're all a bunch of crazed man haters. Makes me embarrassed to be a woman."

Simkin, I don't believe it either.

anyone those men I've referred to are dirty, disgusting, fuckers, yes.

Are you really asking if the men who do that are otherwise?

FFS . Please read a post before replying, I clearly didn't say ALL MEN ARE EVIL.

Also, making the thread all about you

Isn’t that the MO for the MRA?

Ffs why is it so hard for some posters to grasp this.

Not one poster has actually answered what they would do if this hypothetical curfew existied because it's been completely derailed by small minded fools spouting on about how NOT ALL MEN and I AM WORRIED FOR MY SON and IT'S NEVER HAPPENED TO ME and I'VE HAD BORING BITCHY NIGHTS OUT WITH WOMEN
Honestly