Page 9 | To think most the UK now wants to remain in the EU

Cinammoncake · 2019-10-04T18:42:39+00:00

Wales seems to be saying they'd rather be in the EU. Scotland voted remain, as did Northern Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester, London. Polls recently have showed more for remain than leave now.

littlehappyhippo · 05/10/2019 21:29

@Cinammoncake

People who want desperately to remain in the EU think the same as you.. that the majority of the UK wants to stay in the EU.

Not so. Many want to leave. Even some people who voted remain are happy to leave now.

I can only surmise that you are a person who is desperate to remain in the EU. You can dream and wish, and convince yourself that most people now want to stay.... but it's not true, and we are leaving. And soon.

And no, there is NOT going to be another referendum.

And don't be conned by Corbyn's bullshit; he has been anti-EU since the dawn of time. He is pretending he likes them to try to gain votes.

He is massively deluded if he thinks he can be prime minister. It will never happen; no matter how hard he - and his cronies, and everyone else who is pro-EU, tries to derail Brexit, and knock Boris Johnson off his perch.

The attempts to discredit Boris Johnson are laughable. The remainers are getting very desperate now, and it shows.....

ContinuityError · 05/10/2019 21:29

However if you watch the recording, Farage makes it perfectly clear that he wants a "simple free trade deal" with the EU outside of the customs union and single market

Which conveniently ignores what happens at the UK border on the island of Ireland.

Almost as if Farage hadn’t actually given it any much thought.

TeacupDrama · 05/10/2019 21:34

Wales also voted leave so why would there be a Welsh border?

WeshMaGueule · 05/10/2019 21:35

No one spoke of there being a second referendum

Nigel Farage did. He tweeted that he would fight for a second referendum if there was a narrow Remain win.

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Cinammoncake · 05/10/2019 21:46

I can only surmise that you are a person who is desperate to remain in the EU. You can dream and wish, and convince yourself that most people now want to stay.... but it's not true, and we are leaving. And soon.

I am desperate to stay in the EU.
I'm not dreaming and wishing most people want to stay in the EU, I'm saying that as a fact polls now show that to be the case

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/10/2019 21:46

Nigel Farage wasn’t part of the Leave campaign

I don’t remember any MP’s talk about the result not being legally binding or that there should be a second referendum

chomalungma · 05/10/2019 21:55

I am guessing that all those people who are happy to Leave are happy to leave with the current withdrawal agreement?

But I guess that many people on here who talk about Leave won't answer that question.

Even though it is leaving the EU.

ContinuityError · 05/10/2019 22:00

Nigel Farage wasn’t part of the Leave campaign

You’re having a laugh.

He wasn’t part of the official Vote Leave campaign (Johnson, Gove, Stuart) but he spearheaded the Banks and Tice funded Leave.EU.

Oh, and he endorsed Vote Leave as well.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34499315

CleverLoginName · 05/10/2019 22:01

Still leave here and all I know that voted leave would do the same again

Singletomingle · 05/10/2019 22:05

I know more leavers than remainers the only difference is that every single remainer is shouting from the rooftops. Where as the leavers are totally silent due to the levels of abuse they have recieved.

user1471448556 · 05/10/2019 22:06

This thread just sums it all up really - we are a divided nation. Thanks Cameron. EU citizenship has been great for me and has strongly influenced my life. If I had had a crystal ball back in 2005, I never would have moved back to the UK from the EU country I was living in ... my kids would be bilingual, they’d have FOM in 27 countries and they wouldn’t be living in a country hurtling toward populism. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Now we’re stuck on Brexit island ... I’d pay good money for Irish passports to insulate us from this sh@tstorm ... alas we are 100% English. And if ‘taking back control’ means that Boris and co decide everything without any kind of checks and balances, I wish everyone good luck ... bye bye maternity rights, NHS, working hours directive, environmental protections, ... etc etc - in the meantime, need to continue stockpiling for the 31st ... wonderful

CleverLoginName · 05/10/2019 22:06

@chomalungma reluctantly I would leave with the revised WA but would
Prefer to leave with no deal than a weighted deal

Let's just crack on with it and leave

The self serving remain
MPs are not serving the country but their own ends

If the vote had been remain and then the MPs had ignored it and said we were leaving then how would remainders feel. Cheated? That's how leave voters feel

Also have no confidence in any of the current MPs and look forward to a GE when JC is brave enough to call one

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Cinammoncake · 05/10/2019 22:10

I know more leavers than remainers the only difference is that every single remainer is shouting from the rooftops. Where as the leavers are totally silent due to the levels of abuse they have recieved.

Interesting that some leavers might see themselves as victims yet the country is being plunged into potential life threatening medicine shortages and job losses and food shortages etc. All for no good reason. I think that, and the loss of freedom of movement for us and future generations do make people annoyed.

Many leavers I've seen online have been quite vocal and in some cases seemingly hate filled. In rl there are no doubt many lovely ones.

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chomalungma · 05/10/2019 22:11

If the vote had been remain and then the MPs had ignored it and said we were leaving then how would remainders feel. Cheated? That's how leave voters feel

And yet many Leavers would feel cheated if the withdrawal agreement that you said you would accept was what Leave was.

So what do you say to those people who voted Leave, but don't get what they were hoping for?

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Cinammoncake · 05/10/2019 22:12

If the vote had been remain and then the MPs had ignored it and said we were leaving then how would remainders feel. Cheated? That's how leave voters feel

Nobody has ignored it though. What you've been promised was never true in the first place. People are trying to make what is a crap idea work out.

Also have no confidence in any of the current MPs and look forward to a GE when JC is brave enough to call one

I see you've totally bought what Dominic Cummings sold you. JC and the others couldnt call a GE because of the government's lying and scheming. They have explained it many times and a GE will take place.

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ContinuityError · 05/10/2019 22:13

Let's just crack on with it and leave

And then what?

The EU has already said there would be no negotiations on any kind of trade agreement until citizens rights, the UK border in Ireland and financial obligations had been agreed.

Get Brexit Done is just another empty slogan appealing to the hard of thinking.

chomalungma · 05/10/2019 22:15

If the vote had been remain and then the MPs had ignored it and said we were leaving then how would remainders feel. Cheated? That's how leave voters feel

I would imagine that if it had been so close, but Remain had won - that would have been a massive shot across the bows across the political establishment, and they would have started to listen to the reasons why people voted Leave...especially after years of austerity.

They might have altered the voting system so people didn't feel ignored in political decisions, they might have tried to involve people more and tried to make a difference to those left behind communities.

There was a massive issue with left behind communities. I am not sure if leaving the EU will be the magic cure people who voted Leave because they felt left behind is hoping for.

We are going to get back control...but in a connected world where many other countries are working together, I don't think we will feel like we are in control.

MaybeBKK · 05/10/2019 22:16

You actually don't need for anyone to have changed their mind for remain to now win. Demography has done its thing and you only need for people to have the same opinions they did in 2016 for remain to be the majority.
Kind of feels undemocratic for people to have legacy votes beyond the grave.

Clavinova · 05/10/2019 22:16

Which conveniently ignores what happens at the UK border on the island of Ireland.

Personally, I would offer Northern Ireland an extra £2bn per year and put a border down the Irish Sea - our net contribution to the EU went up by £2bn this year - divert that money to NI.

Dongdingdong · 05/10/2019 22:17

Three-quarters of Brits didn't vote Leave.

If you couldn’t be bothered to vote then your opinion doesn’t count I’m afraid.

Clavinova · 05/10/2019 22:18

MaybeBKK

Voters become more conservative as they grow older though - I think the tipping age is 47!

chomalungma · 05/10/2019 22:21

Personally, I would offer Northern Ireland an extra £2bn per year and put a border down the Irish Sea

That's going to put a spanner in the works when it comes to the UK negotiating free trade arrangements, isn't it....unless Northern Ireland is treated separately in such arrangements..

And that will annoy Scotland who will push for independence.

And God knows what that will do to any border between Scotland and England.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 05/10/2019 22:21

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Cinammoncake · 05/10/2019 22:22

Voters become more conservative as they grow older though - I think the tipping age is 47!

Interesting! I wonder if/how much it'll change for the next generation coming through though, with Brexit. Conservative is not what it used to be, not at the moment anyway. Also, house prices and generational inequalities might have an impact?

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ContinuityError · 05/10/2019 22:23

clavinova but Johnson ruled that out in his leadership campaign:

“Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our Union,”

www.itv.com/news/2019-07-02/boris-johnson-accuses-eu-of-moral-blackmail-over-northern-ireland-backstop/

That didn’t last long, given his two borders “plan” for NI, did it?