To think most the UK now wants to remain in the EU

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Wales seems to be saying they'd rather be in the EU. Scotland voted remain, as did Northern Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester, London.

Polls recently have showed more for remain than leave now.

And that will annoy Scotland who will push for independence.

Agreed. Why should Scotland lose EU subsidies. And Wales. They've already laid down the marker for that. Honestly there's problems galore to come even within the UK if a no deal Brexit and/or one which causes a border in NI come into play. And we then have to start negotiating trade deals - with the EU, good luck with that, and with the US who've already said we'll be scuppered if we break the Good Friday Agreement.

@littlehappyhippo

And no, there is NOT going to be another referendum

Really???

Do u have inside info? Crystal ball?

How do you know what will happen next year? Or in 5 years from now?

Perhaps we will leave and it will be such a shitstorm that our kids will negotiate and vote us all back in again.

Farage wasn’t part of the leave campaign (which he was obviously very pissed
off about)) he was pushed aside but he was useful for Leave doing the more controversial side and he had nothing to do with the referendum bill or parliaments support for the referendum MP’s are responsible for this and the fuck they made

He is the driving force as to why we had a referendum Boris Johnson is the one that won enough voters over

Yes without Farage would any of this shit even exist? Remember when most of us used to think him just an eccentric oddball and joke.

That's going to put a spanner in the works when it comes to the UK negotiating free trade arrangements, isn't it....unless Northern Ireland is treated separately in such arrangements..

Yes, Northern Ireland treated separately - we can give NI the £2bn per year budget increase we would be sending the EU - our budget contributions have gone up by this amount in any case.

And that will annoy Scotland who will push for independence.

Scotland will benefit from the new trade deals, free ports etc.

(If we do end up staying in the EU no doubt Nicola Sturgeon will promise not to mention indyref2 for 20 years - or is that too much to ask? )

but Johnson ruled that out in his leadership campaign

If Boris Johnson wins a large majority in the next general election he doesn't need the DUP to prop up the government - the DUP might lose seats themselves. We can still channel significant investment into NI.

Why should Scotland lose EU subsidies.And Wales

EU subsidies are UK contributions sent back to us.

Scotland will benefit from the new trade deals, free ports etc

And yet for some reason, Scotland feels its better to be in the EU.

The economy and all that...

Still, we get a trade deal with???

And I wonder if a trading bloc of 500 million people is able to better negotiate a better deal than one of 60 million people?

What can we look forward to about Brexit? Genuine question.

Voted leave and still want to leave.

What can we look forward to about Brexit? Genuine question

Something about bananas? I seem to remember Johnson talking about those...

Voted leave and still want to leave

With Theresa May's WA?

How do you know what will happen next year? Or in 5 years from now?

The EU have proposed phasing out the UK's rebate over the next five years. They will also allow several more countries to join the EU from 2025.

And I wonder if a trading bloc of 500 million people is able to better negotiate a better deal than one of 60 million people?

Lots of competing interests in a group of 28 - Austria blocked the EU-Mercosur deal, Irish beef farmers were unhappy with the deal in any case - it suited the large manufacturing countries better - cars for beef.

Once UKIP started to gain voters I never saw Farage as a joke I would cringe when I saw MP’s and guests on Question Time mock him they just totally played into his hands it was embarrassing to watch when they thought they appeared so clever

He is a expert political player (as is BJ)

It was a huge mistake so many people did

Sick of Brexit full stop. Leave won, Remainers suck it up and get over it.

Why should Scotland lose EU subsidies. And Wales.

Wales voted Leave so why shouldn’t they lose EU subsidies?

What can we look forward to about Brexit?

We can ban cruel long-distance transportation of animals after Brexit: www.independent.co.uk/news/brexit-live-exports-slaughter-transport-animals-ban-tories-boris-johnson-a9123911.html

if you couldn’t be bothered to vote then your opinion doesn’t count I’m afraid

Your footling argument applies to just one in three of the 75%. There are four groups, all at roughly 25%. Voted Leave; voted Remain; didn't vote; weren't entitled to vote.

It's been rumbling on for so long, does anyone really give a shit anymore?

When it's on the news (every second if you put Sky News on), I just ignore it.

I live in a leave area, and even people that voted remain are getting concerned about what may happen if we do not leave soon.

The political implications on a national level in terms of the relationship between the British government and the electorate are enormous if this carries on much longer. I've never thought England so near to potential civil uprising as I do now.

In many ways, I think it all needed to happen though. Politicians and government have been very adrift from their constituents' actual concerns and interests for some time, and Brexit has exposed this faultline in a very stark way.

I also believe that the British government, historically, never paid much attention to how EU membership could benefit ordinary British people, particularly young people, in a very direct and personal way. An example of this disregard was around the time of EU8 expansion, Blair's government made foreign language study optional at GCSE level. Arguably, this was the time when government should have pushed for foreign language study to begin at primary level so British young people, at least, had a fighting chance of having similar language skills to the millions of European youths whose bi/trilinguality made freedom of movement a very real economic opportunity.

Packing Agree about dropping an MFL at 14, but, what MFL should be learned? No point learning French to work in Hungary, Germany, the NL, or parts of Belgium. Spanish no good for those countries either. For better or worse, the current lingua franca is English.

I note that accession talks may be about to begin with Albania and N.Macedonia as a letter of intent has been issued. I am sure that the Albanian organised crime syndicates will be delighted to have FoM. Hungary wants Serbia in by 2025....ditto.

I say best out of 3..

Another referendum.

He only reason brexiters combust into nothingness at the thought of another vote is because they have an idea of just how many previous brexiters have changed their minds now we have been given more solid information and what will and can happen. The first and second votes were based on lies, misinformation, broken promises and scaremongering. It’s only fair we vote again knowing what we know now.

Albanian and other non EU crime gangs have been operating in and out of the UK for years, despite having control of our borders and not in Schengen.
Look at the nationalities of people trafficked? you'd think they'd be EU nationals but they are not....British, Albanian and Vietnamese are the most common.
Losing instant access to EU security and criminal databases isn't going to help.

Once again, UK problem blamed on EU membership.

Packing you must live in a different leave area to me, no one gives a fcuk anymore.... unless its on Plymouth Live :(

@SwanNecking. Sick of Brexit, are you? Well you have a few more years of dealing with the economic fallout, plus 10 years of post-Brexit trade deal negotiations with the EU dominating the political landscape.

1st Nov = 1st day of Brexit.

Jasjas I think the EU should be far more concerned about losing our Five Eyes access with regards to intelligence gathering.

It is an EU problem....I'll link to a Der Spiegel article later for you which makes interesting reading about where the weapons came from for Bataclan. The stand out lines for me where that FoM and Schengen encourages laxity in the system, hence weapons and people get through that shouldn't.

Control of our borders? Yes, if we trust the travel docs that people have. I think the move to passports only for the UK instead of ID cards as travel documents is a step in the right direction. However, passports as well as ID cards can be counterfeited.

I noticed on the last two weekends when we have been moving stuff back to Cornwall, security at Dunkirk has greatly increased, far more Douaniers and use of sniffer dogs than before.

The concern for me is that potential EU Member States are supposed to be following the rule of law and have anti corruption measures in place. Not sure that applies to Albania or Serbia, (or Italy for that matter).

We are leaving.

Plus ultimately we do not have a compulsory voting democracy. So really the non voting views are valid

😂 Well, that really is mental gymnastics to suit your agenda. What an utterly ridiculous statement.

Even if we did have a compulsory voting system we would still have the option to not vote for any of the above

As we live in a democracy

I know many people who didn’t vote as they really didn’t know which was the best way to vote as its so complex -

I think for most of us we have little understanding of the complexities of the EU and we voted on feeling rather than just knowledge