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To think most the UK now wants to remain in the EU

273 replies

Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 19:42

Wales seems to be saying they'd rather be in the EU. Scotland voted remain, as did Northern Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester, London.

Polls recently have showed more for remain than leave now.

OP posts:
elprup · 04/10/2019 22:06

A lot of people (myself included) believe the first referendum was a huge mistake and it should never have happened in the first place. In light of that, can we really justify a having a second one?

Sunshine1239 · 04/10/2019 22:06

Cite = count

chomalungma · 04/10/2019 22:08

Leave won so most of us don’t feel the need to go on about it

So you'd be happy if the current WA goes through then?

Snog · 04/10/2019 22:10

Sunshine is right that leave are not campaigning anymore.

sheshootssheimplores · 04/10/2019 22:13

We’ve burnt that bridge, Europe despise us. The only way is leave unfortunately.

Original poster
Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 22:15

We’ve burnt that bridge, Europe despise us. The only way is leave unfortunately.

Perhaps we should see if we can move to another planet in that case Grin

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pumkinspicetime · 04/10/2019 22:16
  • I am very concerned that we might not leave.

And very concerned that we might.*

Honestly I think we are now fairly screwed either way. Leaving with a Norway plus would still be the most sensible way forward, a compromise which understood leave had a win but it was only a very narrow one for such a major change.
Sadly consensus building has been the last thing on any politician's mind over the last three years.

Longtime · 04/10/2019 22:46

chomalungma exactly.

What the UK public voted in an advisory referendum cannot take priority over the Good Friday Agreement - an Agreement signed over 21 years ago (what sort of democracy would it be if we jettisoned a signed Agreement in favour of an advisory referendum?).

As is (finally) obvious to all, there is currently no acceptable solution to the unique situation on the island of Ireland. If this situation did not exist, I think a deal would have been reached by now so what anyone thinks about "just getting on with it" is surely irrelevant. It also shows that it's not about the EU "being difficult" but supporting a member state over a leaving state, as you obviously would.

chomalungma · 04/10/2019 22:51

As is (finally) obvious to all, there is currently no acceptable solution to the unique situation on the island of Ireland

Everytime I ask a Leave voter about their thoughts on the border issue and the GFA, I just get a shrug, a 'I don't know' and then a 'we voted Leave'. Few Leave voters gave it much thought.

TBH - I didn't give it much thought, but I voted Remain. It should have been a massive issue in the referendum.

Mintjulia · 04/10/2019 23:00

Not that I can see. Wishful thinking I think.

Legomadx2 · 04/10/2019 23:07

We are a democracy. We voted to leave and so we will leave.

If we don't we should all be seriously worried about the direction our country is headed.

TomPinch · 05/10/2019 07:33

A customs border in the Irish Sea is the only logical solution, isn't it? NI remaining in the customs union, the rest of the UK out.

Just like Denmark (in EU) and Greenland (autonomous state of Denmark, not in EU).

I think the problem with a second referendum is the assumption that the vote, once again, doesn't go the way the politicians intend and causes all manner of fresh oddities.

The only other thing I'd add is that there is plenty of civilisation outside the EU. It is very far from being all wailing and gnashing of teeth.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 05/10/2019 07:36

I voted leave but would (probably) now vote remain. Or not vote at all. I’m cancelled out by my neighbour though who voted remain but would not vote leave. I know no other leaver who has changed their mind, in fact mainly their view has hardened.

LionelRitchieStoleMyNotebook · 05/10/2019 07:44

Slightly aside from the main thrust, but mentioned in the OP. How would a self sufficient Wales work? What's the source of revenue large enough to sustain a country? Genuine, not goady, I have family in Wales but not up to speed on the developing areas of the Welsh economy.

TomPinch · 05/10/2019 07:53

Actually I will add one further thing.

It's not arrogant for "England" to take the entire UK out of the EU. It's just the simple outcome of England's total population being close to 60m and the rest of the UK a fraction of that. Arguments that the other parts of the UK have equal say mean that someone in Scotland should have a vote worth 12 times someone in England. It's plain silly. It's a misnomer anyway as parts of England were Remain too.

If anyone is to be blamed for this situation it's David I King of Scots (1124-1153), who failed to consolidate his hold on northern England during the Anarchy. If he'd done a bit better, perhaps the Scottish border would now be on the Humber, Trent and Mersey and the two countries would be more equal.

Butteredtoast55 · 05/10/2019 07:56

As may have been said before (sorry I feel too depressed by the wole saga to read the entire thread) I think it would be likely to be a similar outcome but with the percentages reversed. So if that were the outcome - and I say this as a remainer - why should remain be accepted at a roughly 52% result when leave wasn't?
I also don't buy the 'now we know the facts' argument. The original referendum campaign was absolutely dire on both sides, but lies were told then and would be now. Many people who voted leave did so for genuine reasons and no matter how much I may disagree with them, that is what the majority chose.

GooseFeather · 05/10/2019 08:01

Most of the people I know who voted leave have changed their minds. Only two haven't - my father who is a nasty racist with delusions of a return to empire. And a hypocrite of a former friend who thinks it is ok for him to keep his dual nationality to allow him to take his own family out of the UK while removing that right from others.

Personally, I think that if we leave, we will be back with begging bowl in hand to the EU to rejoin inside 20 years. And we will have to rejoin as a full member, accept the Euro and membership on a lower status than we now have with none of the specially negotiated terms that we currently enjoy.

When even the JRMs and his ilk predict a 50 year recovery period, most of us will not live to see that, even our children will be retirement age or beyond. And what kind of retirement will it be? It's a fucking stupid mess.

Theworldisfullofgs · 05/10/2019 08:01

This is a summary of the latest polls.

To think most the UK now wants to remain in the EU
GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/10/2019 08:19

For the record I live in Liverpool and many many people now favour leave over remain

I'm a scouser and can tell you this is bollocks. Liverpool voted remain. Liverpool detests Boris Johnson so I cannot believe that a man who made those comments about Hillsborough and is now edging towards no deal Brexit is popular in a multi cultural, metropolitan city like Liverpool. Not a chance.

SaskiaRembrandt · 05/10/2019 08:26

WE voted leave - so we should leave
Otherwise every future decision should be able to be overturned

The nature of our political system means that future decisions can already be overturned. That is the advantage of not having a codified constitution, policy can be adapted to suit changing circumstances.

chomalungma · 05/10/2019 08:43

We are a democracy. We voted to leave and so we will leave

I am sure we will be leaving. The only question is: what does leave look like and what will version of leave will our MPs who our are elected representatives will vote for, when they listen to the debates in the country, the views of business, the effects of No Deal, the effect on the border region - they will listen to this and decide what Leave should look like.

Because everyone knows that there are many versions of Leave, so Parliament should decide what version is best....

And not the Government

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/10/2019 08:44

David Cameron stated that the government would stand by referendum result

No one spoke of there being a second referendum, no debate over what the question(s) would be it was agreed overwhelmingly by MP’s to go ahead with the referendum they didn’t even debate it

The question was straightforward

A second referendum was never ever going to happen if it was more MP’s that are apparently so in favour about it now would have been right from the beginning and they wouldn’t have voted to trigger Article 50 which so many did

We have all been duped

Joey7t8 · 05/10/2019 08:44

I don’t know anyone that voted last time that would change their mind either way, and I’d be surprised if there were many (despite what various dubious social media accounts claim).

I do however know several people that didn’t vote 3.5 years ago, either due to age or apathy, who would definitely vote remain in 2nd ref.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/10/2019 08:53

We have all been duped

Only the people who voted leave, have oridnary lives and jobs thinking brexit would be quick,easy and beneficial have been duped.