To think most the UK now wants to remain in the EU

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Wales seems to be saying they'd rather be in the EU. Scotland voted remain, as did Northern Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester, London.

Polls recently have showed more for remain than leave now.

To quote Andy Zaltzman on Friday's News Quiz: 'In the light of these three years of brexitential crisis, is reducing massively complex political and economic issues to oversimplified binary choices right or wrong?'

Hi Batshit

We are leaving.

I've always thought that this is unlikely, and I think I'm going to be vindicated. The only way to break the impasse is another referendum. A general election won't resolve it. The vote will be a choice between the withdrawal agreement (which is what brexit actually looks like, rather than how it was represented in 2016) and remaining.

I agree a general election will not resolve anything and also that leaving will not look like what was represented in 2016.

I also agree with a PP who said most of us we have little understanding of the complexities of the EU and we voted on feeling.

However, we did vote leave, and therefore we will leave. A second referendum is not democratic.

However, we did vote leave, and therefore we will leave. A second referendum is not democratic

Why?

Things change, we have GE's often after the previous winner hasn't enacted many of their manifesto promises & by the time there would be a another vote, it would be 4 years after the first.

A 2nd vote on the realities of brexit is possibly the only way forward OR we just carry on with this for another few years, which is what would happen if we had another hung parliament.

I'd say it's undemocratic to expect people to vote on something vague where the details were not known, and then say well it was leave (by a very narrow margin) and therefore we now have a mandate to do xyz which was not voted on in the first place.
People should be able to confirm that's what they want if we are going to leave with no deal, given that they'll lose jobs, money and potentially lives.

However, we did vote leave, and therefore we will leave. A second referendum is not democratic.

The problem is it's all very stampy foot now.
We will, we must, we have to...
Or what?
We may have some rioting if we don't leave or we may have some rioting if we do.
Some people may feel disenfranchised if we dont leave and some will feel disenfranchised if we do(especially after not being listened to for the last three years plus years).
There will be tough times ahead if we leave possibly tougher than if we stay.

The biggest issue is we'd have to swallow our pride and act more like partners in our economic community.

And I'd rather throw my lot in with my neighbours than in with the USA where it is more than likely Trump will win a second term. And the way to get deals there is to book hotel rooms in Trump hotels that you never stay in...

But of course revisiting a vote with more information via the democratic medium of another vote would be undemocratic. More democracy kills democracy, who knew.

I think it’s still 50:50 ish as before. I’ve only read about people who voted leave and would now vote remain but know people who voted remain and would now vote leave - I’m one of them!

If a new vote was to happen I think it could well fall on the remain side but either way would be by a narrow margin as per the first one

A 2nd vote on the realities of brexit is possibly the only way forward

The only referendum we can have is whether we leave with no deal or with May's BINO deal. We've decided to leave - now the only question is what form of leave that takes.

So really crap brexit or not quite so crap brexit.

Fantastic double bind .

I just can’t get my head around people who do not seem to grasp that Brexit (whether it’s in a couple of weeks or in Jan 20) IS ONLY THE START. Not the end - the beginning!!!

The only referendum we can have is whether we leave with no deal or with May's BINO deal. We've decided to leave - now the only question is what form of leave that takes

The "we've decided to leave" was then , many voters have died, many have come of age, its why we have GE every 5 years or so.

No-deal cannot be delivered, as has been shown.

The population should not be stuck on the result of an advisory poll done 3.5 years ago, so if the argument for Brexit is still sound, then the UK will vote for whatever Johnson gets Vs Remain.

it should be a legally binding vote held under electoral commision rules.

Parliament itself voted to leave by triggering Article 50. Then the same MPs start playing silly beggars by voting against all the deals put before them for political reasons. We'd be out by now if MPs had behaved honorably rather than flip-flopping.

They regretted their vote lol!

We need a way out, repeating the same old old all the time doesn't move things on.
Leaving with no-deal is highly irresponsible and would just be the start.

Leave with a deal but put it too the population first, in an attempt to heal this divided nation.

Hopefully, leavers and remainers would get behind any johnson deal which both the HoC and the EU support.

Many woke up on the morning after the referendum, having voted Leave - and wanted to change their minds.

For example, farmers and farming communities may have changed their minds. Yes I'm a remainer farmer but it wouldn't take much to tip me towards leave.

Parliament itself voted to leave by triggering Article 50. Then the same MPs start playing silly beggars by voting against all the deals put before them for political reasons. We'd be out by now if MPs had behaved honorably rather than flip-flopping.

In giving Art 50 notice MPs gave negotiating authority to a government which had promised, among other things

There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside
David Davis
10 October 2016

The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history
Liam Fox
20 July 2017

I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019
David Davis
18 January 2017

Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated
David Davis
14 July 2016

What we have come up with—I hope to persuade her that this is a very worthwhile aim—is the idea of a comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement that will deliver the exact same benefits as we have in the single market.
David David
Hansard 24th January 2017

If the government had delivered what it said was available prior to Art 50 notice MPs would have voted the deal thorough with a landslide. The fact is that the government obtained it's Art 50 authority by deception.

t's quite simple maths really.

Except that it doesn't provide for the fact that people tend to move towards the right as they grow older. There's no guarantee that yesterday's "remain" voters will vote the same way next time, given the benefit of experience and age.

Nope, still want to leave the EU.

Scaryteacher

They can contact one of the 5 eye members? or was it a unique UK EU arrangement?

We lose european arrest warrant and instant access to eu criminal DB's used 100s of times a week by UK police forces and by UK border force too.

Guns and explosives were used and smuggled throughout europe by various terror gangs and the IRA in the 60s 70s and 80s long before FOM and schengen.. its a red herring, these european land borders are too porous, even in WW2 escaped allied pow 's were smuggled into Spain and Switzerland.

PineappleLumps

Nope, still want to leave the EU.

Why? (Genuine question.)

Except that it doesn't provide for the fact that people tend to move towards the right as they grow older. There's no guarantee that yesterday's "remain" voters will vote the same way next time, given the benefit of experience and age.

How are you equating voting leave with being right wing. Lexit?
I know both right, centre and left wing people that voted remain.

So many Leave-fed bots