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To think most the UK now wants to remain in the EU

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 19:42

Wales seems to be saying they'd rather be in the EU. Scotland voted remain, as did Northern Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester, London.

Polls recently have showed more for remain than leave now.

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 20:37

Or is that just what's been repeated so often that people believe it's true.

I agree chomalungma The government keeps on about getting it done, that's what everyone wants. I don't, nor does anyone I know, given the damage it'll do.

What I do happen to think people want is for the whole thing to go away. Revoke would achieve this.

That's not how democracy works.
Democracy's not a one off event. Anyway, people were asked to vote for something without anyone including MPs, knowing what they were precisely being asked to vote on. That much has become clear.

Like if someone was asked do you want a long haul or short haul holiday. You say long haul. They go okay, it's to North Korea. You've asked for long haul so that''s what you wanted.

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OoopsDidItAgain · 04/10/2019 20:38

I get the impression most people want out now, and BJ is doing well in polls so I don't think you're in touch with reality OP, much as I would wish otherwise.

chomalungma · 04/10/2019 20:39

I get the impression most people want out now, and BJ is doing well in polls

Where do you get that impression from? Opinion polls don't suggest that....so what are you basing that impression on?

SilverySurfer · 04/10/2019 20:40

Yes, let's have another referendum and if Remainers win it will be Leavers' turn to whine and moan and call Remainers foul names. No thanks, I want out.

familycourtq · 04/10/2019 20:42

If we do remain (or 'leave' with free movement of travel for EU citizens) I believe the UK government will (finally!) avail themselves of the restrictions allowed to prevent non-economic migration (like the Germans do

Can you explain exactly how this works please?

DurhamDurham · 04/10/2019 20:42

I'm speaking only from personal experience from discussions I've had with family, friends and work colleagues, but I haven't heard from anyone that's changed their minds at all. Everyone who wanted to stay still wants to and leavers still want to leave. Everyone I've spoken to seems to be full of resolve, whichever way they voted.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/10/2019 20:47

Polls are showing the Tories ahead in every poll many the lead is by over 10 points

And the Tories will go for the Brexit party voters who did very very well earlier this year

AlexaAmbidextra · 04/10/2019 20:48

Third referendum. We voted to join in the first place.

No we did not. The UK joined the then Common Market in 1973. In 1975 we were given a vote as to whether we wanted to remain in and 67% voted to remain. The Common Market was a trading entity. It was nothing like the EU as we now know it.

chomalungma · 04/10/2019 20:49

*I'm speaking only from personal experience from discussions I've had with family, friends and work colleagues, but I haven't heard from anyone that's changed their minds at all. Everyone who wanted to stay still wants to and leavers still want to leave. Everyone I've spoken to seems to be full of resolve, whichever way they voted.&

And yet with people who I know, no one wants No Deal...

So bubbles exist.

Polls are showing the Tories ahead in every poll many the lead is by over 10 points

And if you add up Labour and Lib Dem, you get roughly the same as Brexit and Conservative. Throw in the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Greens and the one thing is - the country is evenly divided.

Imnotthrowingawaymyshot · 04/10/2019 20:49

How many people would call themselves a democrat on the this thread?

Or perhaps some posters would better identify as autocrats... Tyrannical?
Perhaps better suited to regimes where choice isn't an option?

Chloemol · 04/10/2019 20:49

I know lots of Remainers who now want to leave, including family members and friends so not just any old one. Do yo7 really think if we go to the Eu and please to stay they would not punish us, because they would

Not to mention total breakdown in this country, which overnight states you didn’t vote as us wonderful MPs thought you should do we are not doing as you wish

You also don’t take any notice of polls, they show diddly squat of what people are thinking, done on low numbers and very unsafe

We voted out and that’s what will happen

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 04/10/2019 20:50

Judging from the MEP votes I’d say we are pretty evenly split (not in mn world, the real world!)

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 20:50

Polls are showing the Tories ahead in every poll many the lead is by over 10 points

That's not really relevant to this particular argument though because you've got to add up the other parties, remain/2nd ref have more voters overall if you take into account libdems greens and labour. In any case the polling is showing more of the country want to remain than leave now, even though as pp has said it's a narrow margin.

None of it is ideal, there's no way out which doesn't leave the country ripped apart. But I for one would rather not totally tank the economy in the process, so with remain we'd have the economic stability we've always had, whereas with leave the yellowhammer chaos

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Imnotthrowingawaymyshot · 04/10/2019 20:52

Leavers voted to leave the eu, there is no ambiguity about that.

Total and complete control over everything to do with the UK 100%.

Everything that has been stolen from us by increments and stealth.

chomalungma · 04/10/2019 20:52

How many people would call themselves a democrat on the this thread

So if you are a democrat, you wouldn't have any problem with the deal being put to the people to see if that's what they agree with?

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 20:52

Do yo7 really think if we go to the Eu and please to stay they would not punish us, because they would

Do I think that? no I don't. Because they've acted reasonably throughout, and it's 27 member states of which we are one and have power within it. It's not like the headmistress telling us off.

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Imnotthrowingawaymyshot · 04/10/2019 20:53

And the economy tanking further when eu collapses? And we are stuck within a their rules and regulations... What then?

chomalungma · 04/10/2019 20:53

Total and complete control over everything to do with the UK 100%

And what about those leavers who are happy with being in the Single Market or the Customs Union?

Imnotthrowingawaymyshot · 04/10/2019 20:54

No problem at all in about another 40 years which is roughly how long we have allowed the eu experience to take us over.

EssentialHummus · 04/10/2019 20:54

It’s about 50/50. If only we had a government who acknowledged that this is a complex matter that was best not turned into a political football. (European, likely to take my ££££ taxable income and piss off if we do leave.)

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 20:54

Total and complete control over everything to do with the UK 100%

Everything that has been stolen from us by increments and stealth.

You see something I do not see. You'd rather have this shower of idiots in control who will totally shaft the poor and are law breakers.

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 20:55

And the economy tanking further when eu collapses? And we are stuck within a their rules and regulations... What then?

That's a made up scenario not based on facts

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Cinammoncake · 04/10/2019 20:57

I'd say the best thing is to revoke, spend a good long while debating it properly, and then if a good proposal can be made, put it to the people. In the meantime, get on with our lives without all this stress.

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Imnotthrowingawaymyshot · 04/10/2019 20:57

I've seen the 'poor' shafted for about 15 years by the eu and the eu experience.

I've seen poor shafted and used and abused and I think it's Vile

I think the eu leaders are cult like idiots who disgust me.

Thier no 1 panic after the battaclan slaughter was not closing their precious borders.

Vile. They care for nothing except this wild mad project that has crippled Greece, crippled Italy... Crippled us.

MIdgebabe · 04/10/2019 20:57

total and complete control*
Seems very naive. We can never control everything. Everything is compromise and cooperation. And the smaller and weaker the fish the less control and the more compromise.

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