Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

Why the heck do people keep bringing up “brown skin”...

Because we see you.

@GreytExpectations

What do you think she thought she was going to face after fleeing to IS territory?
By insinuating she was groomed, we need to be of the opinion that she was sold a dream, a life of luxury and love.
A quick google would tell you that isn't the truth.
We can see images of the camps, the lifestyles, the violence.
To still go, even with the information available to you, is something that you must make a choice to do.

Norabird
She's a British citizen, she was a child, she was groomed.

Should she be punished for crimes that she has committed? Sure!

Should she be stripped of her citizenship and refused entry to the country? No.

She needs to be brought back here to safety, then dealt with appropriately by the legal system here.

There is far too much of a culture of blaming and punishing victims in this country.

THIS - also we dont know what she feels now about ISIS - she cant possibly say anything derogatory about them whilst she is in a refugee camp surrounded by jihadists who would kill her or worse if she were to say anything against them! And no matter what she has been involved in whilst there she would have had NO CHOICE at the time. The same reason that once there none of the girls could have changed their minds and come home - they would have been killed if they trued to leave.

She knew what she was doing, she made the decision to jump on a plane and join terrorists so imo she washed her hands of her citizenship the minute she spoke to those vile animals by choice, not by brainwashing. If she was allowed back and moved to your road, would you trust her and feel safe? How do we know she wouldn’t be sent back as part of a terrorist attack plan? She made her choice, there is no place for terrorists in this world. I don’t understand how anyone can defend her or others that do this.

@IntermittentParps

Well she told BBC reporter that the videos of the fighting attracted her.

She told them that AFTER being groomed and brainwashed.

But how do you know that? You don’t know if she was attracted to that kind of life/violence and that’s why it was easy for her to be groomed. It takes a special kind of person to be led down that path.

Psychopaths exist.

If she was allowed back and moved to your road, would you trust her and feel safe?

I don’t think that’s the point. As a British citizen she’s Britain’s responsibility. She was radicalised here too, to be fair.

She should face justice, absolutely.

I don't know where I stand on groomed vs knew what she was doing, I'm still flirting in the middle.

However one thing I do feel strongly on is we shouldn't be bringing her back from where she is. It's still very dangerous to travel there and I can't reconcile putting other lives at risk when she'd be fine sitting it out there longer.

If she can make it back or make it to the British embassy in another safer country (maybe turkey, I'm not up to date on foreign office guidelines) that's one thing. But I don't think anyone's life should be put at risk to go and get her in order for her to come back.

@Cadent

Why the heck do people keep bringing up “brown skin”...

Because we see you.

Oh stop it

Shes a big, big problem. There is no right way in which to deal with her as far as pleasing the general public. It will be down to the law and then the old tension between gov and court.

The people of Syria are trying to rebuild their country. They should deport her and all other foreign terrorists and people who came to cheer on terrorists. The countries that produced the terrorists like the UK can then deal with the terrorists.

Who in their right mind would want her here?
The law is an utter ass, with the eye on the legal aid bill.
The winners will be the lawyers, the losers the people she may well plan to harm and indoctrinate when she gets here.

She was 15 years and agree with other posters groomed etc

My original reaction when it first came to head that she was pregnant and wanted to come home - was you make your bed you lie in it....as time gone on I’ve softened I think she is an extremely vulnerable young lady that has seen things and lost children - I don’t think you ever come out of that, she will live with her choices forever . She needs help and risk assessment completed but let her come back to the UK to get that help. Show the other side that it’s not that we are soft nation but we have a heart.

@Cadent For those who are saying that she's made her choice, she's not our problem, whose problem do you think she is? Saying "She's made her choice!" doesn't make any sense does it because it's not really about her, it's about who takes responsibility for her from now.

I think they think any country of brown Muslim people should take her.

I agree that if some posters really interrogated their comments, they'd realise that their assumptions are that she's not really british because she's brown. Hard luck! She is.

I’d love to see British reaction if other countries tried to foist their terrorists on the U.K.

It always interests me that people who are adamant that 15 year olds have full capacity when it comes to making decisions about involvement in criminal activity, and should be judged as mature adults who knew exactly what they were doing, tend not to argue that 15 year olds have full capacity when it comes to making decisions about who should run the country and thus should have the vote. They aren't often to be found proposing that we lower the age of consent to 15 or lower, that 15 year olds should be able to drive cars and buy alcohol and sign contracts and all the other things we place age restrictions on.

There are good reasons why we try children as children and adults as adults, good reasons why we have laws that specify people must have reached a certain age to make certain decisions and be entrusted with certain responsibilities. Either you are a full adult at 15 or you are not, but it makes no sense to me to say a 15 year old is too immature to fully understand the consequences of consenting to sexual activity and thus cannot legally give that consent, but at the same time mature and capable enough to fully understand the consequences of running away and becoming part of ISIS.

@ActuallyItsEugene if you want to believe she wasn't groomed at all, that your choice. I stand by my opinion and will continue to say that she was clearly sold some kind of false dream. She wouldn't have gone off to Google because she was being brainwashed, do you think people who get brainwashed into joining cults go and Google beforehand? No, they don't because part of the whole grooming and brainwashing thing is convincing them others are wrong and the leaders are right.

Its clear you have your opinion and you are sticking to it, which is fine as you are entitled to it. But I am just going in circles with you so continuing to engage seems pointless.

@Iwalkinmyclothing I agree that 15 year olds are not fully grown yet and some would say that they aren't ready for sex or to make big decisions.

Knowingly joining an organisation that murders people and justifies rape, taking part in those activities - no, that's a serious crime and she needs to be held accountable.

I really don't know about this case. But I do know that in recent interviews she has professed that she had no problem with de-capitations, supported the Isis cause and supported the Manchester bombing. Many suspect that if the caliphate had continued and her living conditions been sustained she would very happily have stayed there. So for me her age on leaving isn't the issue. The issue is whether she commits to live by the values and laws of the UK. We ask new citizens to commit to them why can't we with her?

also we dont know what she feels now about ISIS - she cant possibly say anything derogatory about them whilst she is in a refugee camp surrounded by jihadists who would kill her or worse if she were to say anything against them!

EXACTLY! it seems like a lot of people on here don't understand or refuse to accept what the situation over there will be like for people who have joined and then left ISIS

Psychopaths exist

Yes they do because psychopathy is considered a mental disorder and should be treated as such, it's not a choice someone just makes. A simple Google will tell you that.

@SoupDragon

And she is not our problem.

Whose problem is she then?

Frankly, I don't care whose problem she is, but she has no UK citizenship as it was quite rightly stripped from her. Her parents are from Bangladesh, so the idea originally was they take her but they also refused and said they didn't care if she had duel citizenship.

Frankly, I say let ISIS take her back. Or better yet, same bastard drone that did for the bitch from Chatham and her son. Carpet bomb the lot of them for all I care, they are scum

I’m not a you’ve made you bed now lie in it type of person. We’ve all made bad decisions of course we have.
It’s the huge lack of remorse that is swaying me. However I like ever other British Citizen don’t get a say.

@AdultierAdult

I think it’s unfortunate for her that she’s Asian and also neither articulate nor very likeable on camera.

I think things would’ve gone differently if a blue eyed blonde haired girl had been groomed by adults, been victim of statutory rape and had three of her kids die in a camp then tearfully and articulately begged to come home.

Bullshit!

It's naff all to do with her not being a blonde haired blue eye white woman. What about Sally the one from Chatham who naffed off with her son? They droned her outright.
What about the White Widow? Highest on the interpol most wanted list.
There have been plenty who were not brown girls who have been annhilated before they could even try and ask to come back. She showed no remorse. She said she didn't regret any of it, except that her children died. What about the children who died in Manchester? By one of her bloody ISIS cohorts? What about the People murdered in the most senseless way in the name of "religion"?
Fuck her and fuck any of them who realised it's not what they thought anymore and fancy a cushy council flat, benefits, NHS and everything they denied from the West as disgusting.
Shes a dog. Put her down like one.

@justintimberlakesfishwife

She was groomed. She is a British citizen. She's our problem. I cannot believe the government got away with stripping her of her citizenship. We should all be appalled and worried about that. Re citizenship rights, and age of consent / grooming. We can't have one rule for some and another for others. The law is the law. Clearly there is a huge issue with understanding the rule of law from our current administration.

She used to be a British citizen. Now she isn't. If she wants to come back and go to prison here then fine, that's the chance she takes.

@betteliefsen

[quote justintimberlakesfishwife]
She was groomed. She is a British citizen. She's our problem. I cannot believe the government got away with stripping her of her citizenship. We should all be appalled and worried about that.
Re citizenship rights, and age of consent / grooming. We can't have one rule for some and another for others. The law is the law. Clearly there is a huge issue with understanding the rule of law from our current administration.

She used to be a British citizen. Now she isn't.
If she wants to come back and go to prison here then fine, that's the chance she takes.[/quote]
Exactly

So those of you who would have her back- would you be happy if she moved in next door to you? Or to your town?

Me neither