Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

Detailed and considered opinion piece from Douglas Murray,
www.spectator.co.uk/article/britain-is-not-to-blame-for-shamima-begum-s-radicalisation

I remember reading about what the Bethnal Green trio had packed in their bags for Turkey. It was girly and teenagey. These girls had no idea what they were getting themselves to.

The problem isn't so much how and why she got to where she is

Why not, if we're to prevent more girls from bring groomed in this way?

From an article in 2015:

"Police have apologised to the families of three London girls who flew to Turkey to join Isis (Islamic State) in Syria after it emerged that officers failed to alert them that a schoolfriend of the trio had left to join the militants."

We absolutely need to know she got to where she is.

The problem isn't so much how and why she got to where she is. The real problem is how dangerous is she now to western society?

How and why she got to where she is is absolutely the real problem. How else are we to stand a chance of understanding this stuff with a view to handling and (hopefully) one day eradicating it?

I’m absolutely appalled she’s allowed back.

Utterly disgusted!

And the worst part is tax payer are going to have to house/clothe and feed her, and quite probably pay for a new identity.

She hasn’t even shown that her views have changed, she will quite probably be a danger.

The problem isn't so much how and why she got to where she is

It is the problem. Because it shows the intent behind her actions, like cadent above says, it also helps prevent it happening to others. Nobody is suggesting she be brought back and given full freedom. She needs to be detained, assessed, and given a fair trail based on the circumstances.

These girls had no idea what they were getting themselves to

She certainly seemed to know what she’d got herself into when she was interviewed last year. She’s a very dangerous adult woman who’s been thoroughly radicalised now. I hope they keep her locked up very securely on her return.

On what basis are you asserting that she was groomed? She's the problem not a victim.

@noimkaren

On what basis are you asserting that she was groomed? She's the problem not a victim.

You can be a victim and a criminal. It's known that ISIS target young girls by using grooming methods to sell them some type of luxury dream of marriage. As pointed out these girls had very teenage girly items in their bags, they didn't know the full extent of what they were getting into. Other girls who have fallen for the same thing have been murdered when they tried to escape.

To get on a plane to Turkey she would have needed a passport.I wonder if it was a UK
passport if it was then doesn't that indicate UK nationally or am I missing something.

@IntermittentParps

How can she both be a child and make 'a mature solid choice'?

Because she acted on that choice knowing it wasn’t a positive thing to do. Child or not she made a life changing decision that’s now ruined her life. A 5 year old would know its wrong. She wasn’t forced into it, she left of her own accord after planning and researching. A pregnant 15 year old child would need to make a mature solid choice to keep/abort/adopt. It is possible for a child to make up their mind and do what they want without a backstory of being a poor innocent victim. Which she isn’t. She made a choice to leave this country and watch people get brutally murdered on purpose, not because a gang kidnapped and forced her into it. Now she wants to come home!? She’s scum and should be treated as such.

I'm in two minds about her culpability, etc, but as far as I'm concerned, she's Britain's problem and she should be able to return here - to face the consequences of her actions and to be dealt with exactly as any other British person would in comparable circumstances.

Even if she's a danger, she's our danger to deal with. If she is truly beyond any sort of rehabilitation, then our abdication of responsibility is all the worse.

Before Shamima and her two school friends went out to join ISIS another school friend had gone out ahead of them. This was the confusingly closely named Sharmeena Begum. She seems to have encouraged the three girls – including Shamima – to follow in her wake. That is a good and specific place to start laying some blame.

That is a very interesting detail. So they thought they had a trustworthy voice on the inside, telling them what it was really like.

This explains a lot.

I wonder if Sharmeena was actually in control of her social media accounts.

The account I read elsewhere (a few years ago) of someone who left to join Isis and then escaped later, disillusioned, said that when she met up with the Isis fighters, they took her social media passwords and posed as her.

She was a child she was groomed how was she allowed to travel

As for those saying she shows no remorse she has been through a very traumatic time many people become very blunt with their emotions it’s a coping mechanism

If she was crying she would be accused of being insincere

Why should she apply for Bangladeshi citizenship she was born and raised in the UK

I curious why so many people are adament she wasn't groomed when the circumstances very obviously point to that?

@GreytExpectations

There is no cure for psychopathy a simple google will tell you that as well!

Please point out where I said there was a cure. Oh wait, I didn't.

Apologies... with you saying psychopathy was a mental disorder and should be treated as such you meant as in actually treat it..

Which we both know you can’t can’t.

My whole research project on my course was about the likes of Shamima Begum. She was a groomed, vulnerable child and should almost definitely be brought back here. She is also not the problem of the Syrians.

• Why the heck do people keep bringing up “brown skin”...

Because we see you.*

I genuinely believe that some people get a little surge of excitement when they get to write these ridiculous sound bites.

she can be brought back here and observed from a prison or other secure detention centre

Does anyone seriously imagine that Shamima's supporters will tolerate her being held in any such institution?

Does anyone seriously imagine that Shamima's supporters will tolerate her being held in any such institution?

Well it won't be up to them, will it? It is up the the justice system and relevent authorities.

Havent read the thread. But no to her returning to Britain. I am sure her husband's family will be delighted to look after her and the children. I am not willing to continue to pay tax to even start to fund that family. No way.

And I believe that immigration is good for any country.

@spongedog

Havent read the thread. But no to her returning to Britain. I am sure her husband's family will be delighted to look after her and the children. I am not willing to continue to pay tax to even start to fund that family. No way.

And I believe that immigration is good for any country.

Her children are dead and her husband was Dutch. It always helps if you know what you’re talking about before you post.