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DP’s stonewalling is destroying me

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LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 09:07

(Apologies for posting this in AIBU, it gets the most traffic and I’m desperate to speak to someone about this)

Hi,

I’m looking for advice from any of you who have experienced stonewalling in your relationships/marriages, and whether or not you can tell me that there’s some miraculous light at the end of the tunnel for this ‘behaviour’ to correct or reverse itself.

Currently on day 3 of not speaking to DP since he stonewalled me during what should have been an easy going, simple, honest and open conversation on Monday night. What we spoke about isn’t relevant, as he’ll stonewall me over literally anything remotely serious or important, or about us, or about me being upset, angry or annoyed over something.

I opened the conversation as placidly and nicely as possible. It really should have been something that was over and done with and dealt with within 5 minutes, but classic DP reverted to his usual tactics of shutting down, ignoring me, not even looking at me, just staring at his phone and channel flicking and not saying a word in response, acting as though as I wasn't even in the room with him, although he could blatantly hear me becoming more upset thanks to him blanking me. As a result of him doing this (and this happens every time he treats me this way), I grow more irate and start to lose my temper as I fight to be heard and understood, and battle for his attention, so although I start conversations by treading on eggshells and speaking as gingerly as possible, I end up losing sight of the original problem as his stonewalling takes a hold of me and I become incredibly pissed off.

I woke up on Tuesday morning, following nothing been resolved or put to bed, and sent him a message about it. A tactic he claims he finds easier to deal with, though he doesn’t respond to my messages either, and doesn’t bring it up when he gets home, so it’s just another way of him avoiding me and the issues at hand.

I basically reiterated the original issue, and once again, for the thousandth time, told him that the way he treats me during discussions isn’t ok. He ignored my message, came home, nothing was said about it, we spent Tuesday evening in silence and he got up and went to work yesterday, came home, and again, nothing said. I ended up going to him last night and asking him if he was planning on apologising to me and explaining himself, to which he just shook his head, all whilst not looking at me. I asked him if his respect for me is that low, that he truly thinks ignoring me is acceptable, and he told me to ‘leave him alone’ as he was going to bed soon. He’s gone to work this morning without saying goodbye, and I suspect this evening will be a repeat of the last two nights.

DP went for counselling regarding his awful communication problems last year. It was via the NHS therapy for you services, so only a 6 course session, but he claimed it gave him some tools to help him open up, see things from my perspective and not shut down, though evidently it didn’t do a damn thing, as we’re still stuck in the same rut of him ignoring me, the avoidance, belittling me and him manipulating conversations simply by saying nothing at all.

I just don’t know what to do anymore. We’ve been together for 5 years, and for the first few years, I tried so hard to understand that ‘serious’ conversations must just be difficult for him. So as such, I’ve tried all kinds of different avenues to speak to him. I’ve tried the quiet and gentle approach, I’ve tried having screaming matches, I’ve tried writing letters, leaving them for him then taking myself out so he can read about the issue in peace then discuss it calmly when I returned, I’ve tried sending messages while he was at work so he can read them on the train journey home then talk about it later that evening, I’ve tried telling him to go for a walk mid conversation to get some air, then we’ll speak in half an hour, I’ve tried giving him days until I’ve brought it up again. Nothing works. It’s like as long I never voice my opinions, express any concerns, never talk about anything of any importance, then things are completely fine between us. But the moment I try and open up, I’m instantly shut down and it’s breaking my heart because I don’t know what else I can do, or for how much longer I can expect him to act this way before he wakes up and realises that this isn’t how a responsible, respectful, loving partner should be treating their spouse.

I don’t know if it’s emotional abuse, but I do know that I feel so disrespected, unheard, like my thoughts, opinions, doubts or concerns hold no importance to him, I just feel like I’m not being taken seriously, and frankly like I’m a piece of shit on the bottom of his shoe.

Apart from the stonewalling, he’s generally a good person, and I think that’s why I’ve stuck around so long. But I feel as though I’m reaching my breaking point and that his shitty communication issues are starting to impact my mental health because nothing is ever resolved, and the 1% of times that things are resolved, it's entirely on his terms.

Do chronic stonewallers ever change? Or is it something that’s so deep rooted that they physically can’t change their ways, even if they wanted to?

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MzHz · 27/09/2019 07:04

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SaraNade · 27/09/2019 07:48

OP, does he even love you? Because it does not sound like it. It sounds more like he regards you as a roommate with benefits. He doesn't want to talk to you and that is not normal in relationships. One of the great things about relationships is talking for hours about nothing. Just being with each other, talking about everything, and about nothing. I don't think he wants to be in a relationship. He doesn't seem to love you or even want to be with you, but it is all so convenient so as long as his needs are met he won't leave. This is painful to read, but he doesn't actually want to be with you or be in a relationship with you. Possibly with anyone. But you certainly don't have the relationship where he would do anything for you and wake you up early just to talk because he's dying to tell you something.

This is no way to live. You don't have a relationship. You don't have a man who loves you. You don't have a man who even regards you as worth anything but what you can do for him in bed. He has no interest in you. This is not a relationship. Just leave. Now. Or if you own/are on the lease, kick him out and don't take him back. He won't change and you deserve a real mutual relationship where you are valued, loved, where he and you can sit up drinking wine or whatever and talk and talk about nothing and everything. You deserve a relationship where he cannot wait to come home to you, to spend time with you. You don't have an actual relationship. You have a roommate with benefits who ignores you in between. It is not a normal way to live and he does not love you enough to change for you or for himself. Get out and find someone worthy of you. There is no reason to be so miserable in a one-sided relationship with a man who can never give you what you need and deserve. Your real man is out there waiting for you. So get out of this jail you are in and go find him.

MercyBookoo · 27/09/2019 09:05

Leave him OP. He’ll never change.

BatmanLovesTheCircus · 27/09/2019 09:27

It’s clear OP isn’t leaving him.

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 27/09/2019 09:28

Perfect post @SaraNade.

Cosmos45 · 27/09/2019 09:33

How much convincing does OP need that this is never going to change?

headinhands · 27/09/2019 09:37

Bear in mind that if @LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken's dp is as immature as their posts suggest they've probably had their self confidence in their judgement totally fucked. I've been there. Lots of us have been there.

Juells · 27/09/2019 09:59

WallyWallyWally

When people show you who they are, believe them. I’m more interested in what happened in your childhood that makes you think you have to accept this crappy relationship or that it’s all your fault.

I don't think anything needs to have happened in someone's childhood for them to get ground down and trapped by this behaviour. I had a very easy childhood, with easy-going parents, I was very self-confident before my ex got to work on me Grin

Juells · 27/09/2019 10:11

BTW, as Corporal Jones used to say..."They don't like it up 'em". Once I'd finally left I made the decision that there was nothing but hurt involved in talking to him, so I just stopped. Then all of a sudden it was the most important thing in the world for him to try to get me to 'discuss things like adults'. Any time I felt like weakening I remembered the years of crying, begging, cajoling, trying to jolly him out of it, and toughened up.

Stonewalling only works when the power balance in a relationship is skewed. Once the person who's being stonewalled recognises what's happening and walks away, the power of the stonewaller dissipates.

LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 27/09/2019 10:17

As @headinhands has just pointed out - while I know that I'm being subjected to isn't normal and is by no means ok, I've been on the receiving end of it for so long now, that my self confidence and my self esteem are in absolute tatters. Finding that 'inner strength' and picking myself back up again seems neigh on impossible right now.
It's so easy to tell me to leave him, it seems the only rational and logical thing to do to alleviate my sadness, right? But my head is such a mess. I'm constantly doubting myself but forever giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm just in a really awful place mentally, and while the answer may seem so obvious to all of you, it's not so easy for me to come to terms with.

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FiveFarthings · 27/09/2019 10:20

Please leave. I know it will be hard, but I’ve been in this situation and it does not get better. I was with my ex for five years and he did exactly the same. Eventually I had to leave for the sake of my mental health. We had just bought a house and were engaged but I knew I had to get out. Even when we were splitting up, he still couldn’t understand what the problem was.

My DF does this to my mum and they have been married 40 years and are in their 60s. He did it when they were first married, I remember periods in my childhood where my Dad didn’t speak to my mum for days on end, and he still does it now. This is despite multiple threats of divorce, counseling etc. If someone does this now then they will never change.

dontdoxmeeither · 27/09/2019 10:55

I think it's very clear that you have tried absolutely bloody everything. No matter which approach you use, you're losing.

He simply doesn't respect you. If he's capable of resolving stuff down the pub with his mates then he's capable of affording you the same. And he's choosing not to. I don't give a shit about whatever his childhood was like. Perhaps he gets controlled at work and exercises control at home to feel powerful.

But NONE of that matters does it? Because it is how it is and no amount of effort you make will change the fact that he views you worthy of being treated like crap.

You'll either find the strength you need or not. If you do you'll be far better off. If not, then welcome to the rest of your life, being ignored and disrespected. Please don't misunderstand, I know making the break is hard. It always is but does lead to freedom.

A lot of posters have "charted" their build up to leaving, the actual leaving, and beyond on here.Plenty of us to offer practical advice and emotional support from afar. Especially for when you wobble with doubt. Just a suggestion to bear in mind, should you find the strength. And if not right now, then when you're ready.

I wish you luck, this is no way to live lovey Thanks

Techway · 27/09/2019 11:00

OP, I get exactly where you are. I lived with this for over 15 years.

What I would say is that if you commit in some way, marriage, children or you lose financial power the abuse will get worse. Please believe this.

Ex went to counselling for 1 YEAR and the outcome was worse as his passive aggressive stonewalling became overtly aggressive.
This is because the root of the issue is his thinking which causes him to feel angry.

Currently he suppresses the anger by silence however if he revealed his anger it would be scary, usually it is referred to as rage.

I lasted as long as I did because like you I kept hoping it would get better and that I would eventually find a way to talk to him. If I didn't make any demands he would be nice & normal so like the slot machine concept, I was getting occasional reinforcement for behaving well.

Ex had an abusive childhood but I now suspect that genetics play a larger part in than environment. He behaves exactly like one of his parents, his siblings are however different. Research shows brain types are visibly different in those with personality disorders so in some ways they can't help their behaviour and that is why counselling fails as it is hardwired.

When I eventually left his behaviour ramped up and that is when I learnt of personality disorders, specifically covert narcisstic personality disorder.

His behaviour may not be at this level yet (ex took about 10 years to get to this level as I started to reinforce boundaries and no longer sought to placate him). You are however displaying the signs of someone who has been abused so the longer you stay the longer it will take to heal.

Good books are "The verbally abusive relationship" and "In Sheep's clothing"

Also to help you deal with this don't react to his silence, Observe don't absorb. Have a few stock phrases to respond to him and don't expect resolution to issues. Go about your life as normal, try not to focus on his reactions. Do yoga and mediation as abusive home life causes you to have adrenal overload which leads to physical illnesses.

Ex is outwardly very charming, successful and accomplished however he cannot have close intimate relationships because he doesnt want a mutually beneficial relationship. Read the books and check out YouTube, once you know more it helps to leave. Good luck. I wish I had MN 15 years ago as I spent years bewildered trying to fix something unfixable.

NoThankYouSatan · 27/09/2019 11:09

Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me and a trauma bond. I'd say read up on a lot of stuff and try and help yourself while you're still there at the moment.

Techway · 27/09/2019 12:00

@LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken, My guess is you are empathic and this has lead you to try to understand and heal him. His hook re his childhood played on your emotions and to a narrative that caring people believe..damaged people can be healed. This isn't the script from Good Will Hunting however and the reality is "hurt people, hurt people". It is his responsibility to fix him and it has to start with his acknowledgement that he is hurting you.

It was a very good friend who said to me "you can't set yourself on fire just to keep him warm".

Coyoacan · 27/09/2019 13:39

I've been on the receiving end of it for so long now, that my self confidence and my self esteem are in absolute tatters

This is dreadful. A decent partner would build up your self-confidence, not knock it down. And, of course, the longer you stay with him, the less self-confidence you will have and the harder it will be. You cannot possibly have children with such a man.

I recommend you get some therapy for the moment to help you repair and/or build up a good social network.

SavingSpaces2019 · 27/09/2019 13:50

Finding that 'inner strength' and picking myself back up again seems neigh on impossible right now
You're making excuses to avoid dealing with the reality in front of you.
You obviously can find inner strength because you're choosing to keep going round in circles with him and tolerating his abuse.

Nobody is saying that you should pack up your bags and get out right now....cos that takes time and organisation.
What you CAN do is decide whether you want to stay in this farce of a relationship.
If not, then you can end things with him today and continue living there until you've sorted out somewhere else.

I've been where you are, only with me it was family members i lived with and i wasn't old enough to get a job and afford my way out.
As soon as i turned 18 i got a job, saved 3 months wages and then hightailed it out of there - and have never looked back, regretted it or ever asked 'what if i had stayed/given yet another chance/done xyz'.

The longer you take to make a decision regarding ending things the harder you are making it for yourself....and the longer he has to continue gaslighting and manipulating you.

Londonmummy66 · 27/09/2019 13:52

I realise it is going to take you sometime to process the comments you've read on here and probably even longer to decide what to do about it. In the meantime do at least recognise that at the moment the stonewalling means it is all going his way. If he is still ignoring you, make it uncomfortable for him to continue. Try ignoring his existence by not feeding him, cleaning up after him, doing his laundry etc (you do do all of this for him don't you - he is the type to leave you to do it).

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 27/09/2019 13:56

If you KNOW that he has shattered your self confidence and self esteem, you already know you have to end it. You’re not someone who doesn’t realise why they have a nagging doubt that they might not be doing the right thing. You know for a fact he has crushed you. Why is there any room for doubt about the right course of action?

Butterymuffin · 27/09/2019 14:11

If he is still ignoring you, make it uncomfortable for him to continue. Try ignoring his existence by not feeding him, cleaning up after him, doing his laundry etc (you do do all of this for him don't you - he is the type to leave you to do it).

YY to this. You're probably thinking it seems 'petty' to stop doing your normal household chores that include things for him. But just think how petty it is on his part to not talk to you for days in this way. Currently he gets no consequences for that and all his usual household benefits. Start enforcing consequences even if you're not yet ready to go or have big discussions.

FetchezLaVache · 27/09/2019 14:17

Can I make a suggestion? Go onto Right Move, search for rental properties in your area within your budget. Imagine yourself living there on your own, without deafening silence or rising panic, without treading on bastard eggshells.

Without him.

Juells · 27/09/2019 19:30

Oh God, reading this thread reminds me of the dragging, sinking feeling in my stomach when I'd hear his car pull up outside, and the dread when the front door would open and he'd march in not looking at me or replying if I said anything. Fucking fucker.

Coyoacan · 27/09/2019 19:52

reminds me of the dragging, sinking feeling in my stomach

I remember my mother stonewalled me for three days and that was the only time in my long life that I've had a sore stomach from nerves.

instaglum · 27/09/2019 19:57

You just described my first marriage. It didn't end with a bang, just a sad day when I finally left after years of this soul-destroying, crazymaking behaviour.

MzHz · 27/09/2019 20:42

I could tell by the steps on the building’s hallway floor what mood he was in

By the way a handle was turned to open a door

The overwhelming sense of dread engulfed me