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DP’s stonewalling is destroying me

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LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 09:07

(Apologies for posting this in AIBU, it gets the most traffic and I’m desperate to speak to someone about this)

Hi,

I’m looking for advice from any of you who have experienced stonewalling in your relationships/marriages, and whether or not you can tell me that there’s some miraculous light at the end of the tunnel for this ‘behaviour’ to correct or reverse itself.

Currently on day 3 of not speaking to DP since he stonewalled me during what should have been an easy going, simple, honest and open conversation on Monday night. What we spoke about isn’t relevant, as he’ll stonewall me over literally anything remotely serious or important, or about us, or about me being upset, angry or annoyed over something.

I opened the conversation as placidly and nicely as possible. It really should have been something that was over and done with and dealt with within 5 minutes, but classic DP reverted to his usual tactics of shutting down, ignoring me, not even looking at me, just staring at his phone and channel flicking and not saying a word in response, acting as though as I wasn't even in the room with him, although he could blatantly hear me becoming more upset thanks to him blanking me. As a result of him doing this (and this happens every time he treats me this way), I grow more irate and start to lose my temper as I fight to be heard and understood, and battle for his attention, so although I start conversations by treading on eggshells and speaking as gingerly as possible, I end up losing sight of the original problem as his stonewalling takes a hold of me and I become incredibly pissed off.

I woke up on Tuesday morning, following nothing been resolved or put to bed, and sent him a message about it. A tactic he claims he finds easier to deal with, though he doesn’t respond to my messages either, and doesn’t bring it up when he gets home, so it’s just another way of him avoiding me and the issues at hand.

I basically reiterated the original issue, and once again, for the thousandth time, told him that the way he treats me during discussions isn’t ok. He ignored my message, came home, nothing was said about it, we spent Tuesday evening in silence and he got up and went to work yesterday, came home, and again, nothing said. I ended up going to him last night and asking him if he was planning on apologising to me and explaining himself, to which he just shook his head, all whilst not looking at me. I asked him if his respect for me is that low, that he truly thinks ignoring me is acceptable, and he told me to ‘leave him alone’ as he was going to bed soon. He’s gone to work this morning without saying goodbye, and I suspect this evening will be a repeat of the last two nights.

DP went for counselling regarding his awful communication problems last year. It was via the NHS therapy for you services, so only a 6 course session, but he claimed it gave him some tools to help him open up, see things from my perspective and not shut down, though evidently it didn’t do a damn thing, as we’re still stuck in the same rut of him ignoring me, the avoidance, belittling me and him manipulating conversations simply by saying nothing at all.

I just don’t know what to do anymore. We’ve been together for 5 years, and for the first few years, I tried so hard to understand that ‘serious’ conversations must just be difficult for him. So as such, I’ve tried all kinds of different avenues to speak to him. I’ve tried the quiet and gentle approach, I’ve tried having screaming matches, I’ve tried writing letters, leaving them for him then taking myself out so he can read about the issue in peace then discuss it calmly when I returned, I’ve tried sending messages while he was at work so he can read them on the train journey home then talk about it later that evening, I’ve tried telling him to go for a walk mid conversation to get some air, then we’ll speak in half an hour, I’ve tried giving him days until I’ve brought it up again. Nothing works. It’s like as long I never voice my opinions, express any concerns, never talk about anything of any importance, then things are completely fine between us. But the moment I try and open up, I’m instantly shut down and it’s breaking my heart because I don’t know what else I can do, or for how much longer I can expect him to act this way before he wakes up and realises that this isn’t how a responsible, respectful, loving partner should be treating their spouse.

I don’t know if it’s emotional abuse, but I do know that I feel so disrespected, unheard, like my thoughts, opinions, doubts or concerns hold no importance to him, I just feel like I’m not being taken seriously, and frankly like I’m a piece of shit on the bottom of his shoe.

Apart from the stonewalling, he’s generally a good person, and I think that’s why I’ve stuck around so long. But I feel as though I’m reaching my breaking point and that his shitty communication issues are starting to impact my mental health because nothing is ever resolved, and the 1% of times that things are resolved, it's entirely on his terms.

Do chronic stonewallers ever change? Or is it something that’s so deep rooted that they physically can’t change their ways, even if they wanted to?

OP posts:
ArgumentativeAardvaark · 26/09/2019 17:08

I’m sorry, I wasn’t saying that you should not keep posting. You have misunderstood me. I was wondering why you were taking so much time and effort to counter the minority view that he isn’t controlling and you should change your tactics, when you yourself say that is “hard to hear”. It seems like a waste of energy when there are lots of helpful people on here ready to help strengthen your resolve to leave, if you’ll just keep talking to them. That’s all.

Armadillostoes · 26/09/2019 17:09

Chilledbee-I don't see the point of your comment tbh. Nothing I have said suggests that the OP cannot leave doe whatever reason she chooses.

Howeve, the OP herself expressed frustration that people were suggesting that the behaviour was not controlling, and I wanted to affirm her judgement that it indeed was.

theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 17:10

@ChilledBee I MN moderate this site not YOU! I'll comment how I see fit, your boundaries are not my concern. You're perfectly capable of waking away from the thread.

@TwentyEight12 I also offered advice, you clearly are only interested in one persons view. Which is really quite odd.

DawgLover · 26/09/2019 17:10

ChilledBee I think the difference is that in your case there was a specific root cause, whilst in the OPs it can be anything at all the triggers the silent treatment. Meaning that OP has the choice of accepting whatever poor behaviour without question, questioning it and being punished with silence or leaving.

ChilledBee is totally right in the sense that this communication style obviously isnt working for you and frankly he will not change. You should never be in a relationship hoping or wanting to change the other person. So regardless of whether this is abusive, selfish, a bad match or whatever- its obviously not working.

ChilledBee · 26/09/2019 17:20

I think it is irrelevant whether or not it is controlling. The only relevant fact is that the OP is chronically unhappy.

I also think it frustrates her that not everyone agrees that it is definitely abusive behaviour but I think that is because women have been conditioned to believe they can only end a relationship if there is something like abuse happening.

TwentyEight12 · 26/09/2019 17:21

@theretheirtheyrenotno

My intention was to keep the peace and onward discussion.

I have already said earlier on in the thread that the relationship does not seem to be working for the OP, so I’m not sure how you think I am only interested in one poster’s opinion.

But hey ho, I’m not interested in arguments with anyone.

theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 17:29

@TwentyEight12 my view is it's abuse, chilledbee id ridiculous in the it's not because I KNOW BEST!

Op and on for a range of views, Chilled is not the only person to have dealt with such issues.

TwentyEight12 · 26/09/2019 17:31

Ok, if that is your view and you are a moderator, could you help the OP to be put in touch with a professional organisation such as Women’s Aid?

Coyoacan · 26/09/2019 17:34

You want to talk about everything, he doesn’t, it’s really as simple as that

The OP doesn't have a chance to talk to about everything, does she? She is being trained to never bring up any issue whatsoever.

So his stonewalling results in two very significant problems for you, OP. First you can never sort out any problems great or small and secondly you have to live with the stonewalling itself.

You say it would be clear to you if he were to hit you. My mother was a bit like your dp and never hit any of us when we were children. I opted for smacking my dd rather than subjecting her to that treatment. I was wrong, there are better ways of doing things of course, but that was how much more I hated it all that I personally would rather have had a smack.

ChilledBee · 26/09/2019 17:35

I've literally never said I know best. I said it is irrelevant whether it is abuse or not and that answer should have no bearing on whether she decides to leave.

BananaPlant · 26/09/2019 17:42

What does he bring to the relationship?

Why after 5 years are you still hoping he’s going to change? He isn’t. Leave. Walk away. Do you think this is the best you can do?

Livelovebehappy · 26/09/2019 17:42

It also depends though on how often these ‘discussions’ are instigated by OP. My DH is very serious and uptight about a lot of things, and quite often will raise a topic about something that I consider is petty and unnecessary. For example my job is to do the online shopping every Friday. Last Friday I forgot - arranged on Saturday instead, no harm done. Cue a discussion had to be had about how this had happened and how I could stop it happening in the future. I was flippant about it and went to work. Got a text saying we need to discuss it. I ignored the text. Came home and was faced with the same question. I left the room and went to potter in the kitchen. Therefore I was, I guess, stonewalling him, but I just find this kind of harassment as bad as being stonewalled, and he does it a lot. Maybe OP does this? Not saying she does, but what I’m trying to say is that maybe there is an element of controlling behaviour from OP too.

Deadposhtory · 26/09/2019 17:43

This is soul destroying. I had this happen to me. They never change. Get rid

LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 17:50

I've already stated that I pick and choose my battles because I know how DP will respond.
Regardless, even if I chose to discuss things on a monthly basis, it's no excuse for ignoring me.

OP posts:
dinello · 26/09/2019 17:51

Sounds a lot like a relationship I was in up until recently. It was emotionally abusive. Please get out. This is no way to live.

Songsofexperience · 26/09/2019 17:52

It’s like as long I never voice my opinions, express any concerns, never talk about anything of any importance, then things are completely fine between us

You are a human being. You have opinions and emotions. Sadly he can't deal with it and his inadequacy is entirely his problem. This is no way to live. You can't deny yourself an existence but by staying with him you do.

ChilledBee · 26/09/2019 17:55

@LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken

Are you seeking some sort of action you could take that would prompt him to change? Like we ALL agree that this relationship seems pretty miserable and not good for you and that you have enough reason to leave,even if there are discrepancies in how people interpret the presence of abuse. But it seems like you want someone to tell you to do something that will make him different. Or you feel differently about his actions and I just think that isn't possible.

theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 17:58

@TwentyEight12 I'm a moderator? No I wouldn't suggest woman's aid either..... how very odd of you to say that!

TwentyEight12 · 26/09/2019 18:11

@theretheirtheyrenotno

Sorry, have I got confused? In an earlier post you told ChilledBee:

@ChilledBee I MN moderate this site not YOU!

So I assumed you were a moderator. So you don’t moderate the MN site and you’re not a moderator?

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theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 18:32

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TwentyEight12 · 26/09/2019 18:34

You clearly said you moderate the MN site.

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 26/09/2019 18:34

Obviously the I was a typo @TwentyEight12 . Mumsnet staff all have Mumsnet as part of their username and the posts show up in a different colour.

theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 18:37

@TwentyEight12 clearly not e Rhône stress! See the post following yours GrinGrinGrin

theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 18:38

Wow bad typos!

The post following yours!!! Grin

theretheirtheyrenotno · 26/09/2019 18:39

*clearly not everyone!