To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

I know a couple of kind Conservative voters, and I respect a few of their MPs (though they've now lost the whip).

But I can't see how any kind or good person, especially woman, can vote for them now after what Boris said last night re Jo Cox and belittling tales of death threats when female MPs are indisputably receiving them.

There is certainly a lot of backlash re the comments from Conservative and Leave voters on Twitter. It's morally indefensible.

“That's what they say! Bankers won't vote Labour when it comes down to it.”

Well I can’t speak for them all obviously, but I can tell you that pretty much everyone we know works in the city or is an entrepreneur of some kind and they will be voting LD. They simply can’t align themselves with this BJ govt because of his Brexit stance and the rhetoric that comes with it. There really has been a shift.

If Labour get in, they will shift their money offshore and most probably, go with it after a year or so. But they well may do that anyway if it’s a no deal Brexit. We’re just waiting a few years for our last DC to finish school. What makes me depressed, is that the people voting for No Deal will be the ones most severely impacted and maybe they’ll have less options to get out the UK.

but I can tell you that pretty much everyone we know works in the city

Hardly surprising since the City is pro EU and strongly remain.

There's a lot of the country that isn't in the SE corner and hasn't benefitted to the same extent from the EU. I'm in the north west and speak to dozens of small businesses, and they're mostly Leavers because they just havn't seen any benefits of the EU. They're seeing their livelihoods affected by cheap Eastern European electricians, decorators, plumbers etc taking their work.

People in the SE corner seem blind to the North/South divide.

Most of our friends are bankers, and all would vote Tory. I only know of 1 family who vote for labour, and they are hardcore lefties, however, even they are struggling to decide if they will vote for JC when it comes round.

According to the law before the court case you could , he was adviced by the Governments lawyer.
Now a new rule has made it wrong.
New rulings are handed down all the time .
You used to be able to smoke in car with children, but if you did it today, you would have broken the law.
Boris has support of Millions in the UK, and right now he is the person in charge.

Lots of us remain Tory supporters, wheresa Labour has not won an election since 2005. The Supreme Court decision could well have gone either way. I don't think anyone thought it was a cut and dried case. The Supreme Court decided to extend the law which is their right and this Govenrment has rightly said they will abide by it.

Vote Conservative (not that Labour is going to let us have an election and we still have the problem that MPs have decided not to vote for the withdrawal agreement Mrs May and BJ and many of the Tories supported and voted for last time). If we crash out without a deal it is mostly Labour to blame.

They'll still vote for him. The Conservatives I know (old money; Oxbridge, etc) put party before anything else. So even though some of them voted Remain, they'll still vote for Boris at a GE.
It's actually one of the strengths of the Conservatives. They may have scraps in public but when it comes to the ballot, they ultimately vote for the party. Perhaps with the view that PMs come and go but the party 'ethos' towards capitalism, business, etc, remains the same.
I'm not a Conservative. I'd never vote for Boris. But I can't vote for Labour or the LibDems either. And now that the SNP are acting like autocratic idiots over self-id, I feel very disenfranchised.

If there was a sensible labour option like Tony Blair I would vote labour

Jesus wept. War criminal Tony Blair?

“I have no choice who to vote for” is a fallacy.

Of course you have a choice, you’re making it on issues that are important to you. At least own it.

I deplore Johnson's use of humbug.
I also deplore McDonnell's lynching comment (and assassinate Thatcher 'joke'). www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-mcdonnell-lynching-personal-abuse-jeremy-corbyn-esther-mcvey-labour-conference-a7328876.html
The common denominator? Arrogant men dismissive of females. We need a 50/50 parliament & I will vote for any sensible, not blindly party loyal, female.

The problem with that LoveGrows is that all the main parties are now claiming they don't know what a female is.
We should start a MN party.

@mummmy2017, the fact that Johnson was allegedly advised by Geoffrey Cox that the law allowed what he did doesn't mean that Cox got the law right. It's pretty clear that the reality is that Cox told Johnson what he and Cummings wanted to hear, probably with his fingers firmly crossed behind his back. The history of this Parliament is riddled with successful judicial reviews against government decisions, notably many involving Chris Grayling, and presumably some lawyer incorrectly advised the ministers in question that it was at least arguable that what they were doing was lawful.

Your analogy with smoking in the car with children is false. That is now against the law because the Children and Families Act 2015 made it illegal, not because of case law.

The simple fact is that, when a Prime Minister chooses to do something unprecedented in constitutional terms, in effect they have to be able to demonstrate that what they are doing is lawful - it's not for their opponents to come up with specific laws overtly forbidding it. Frankly, it was always obvious that proroguing Parliament for your own political advantage was unlawful: the reason there is no direct previous case law on it is because no-one else was stupid enough to try it.

What the Supreme Court has done is simply to confirm what has always been the case, i.e. that what Johnson did was against the law. It didn't change the law retrospectively as you seem to believe.

The fact that allegedly millions of people in the UK support a known fraudster and liar is, frankly, deeply depressing and shameful. If he is allowed to continue on his current path, he will not hesitate to throw each and every one of those millions to the wolves if they get in his way.

Christ, it’s a mess isn’t it.
I would probably vote Tory, if we had a sensible more centrist PM in post, but no way with the likes of Boris, Raab and Patel at the helm. It would be like voting for UKIP.

I feel a similar antipathy towards the LD and Labour due to Self Id and Labours uselessness the last few years.
I think I’d have to vote tactically this time, I can’t see anything resolved with these braying incompetents at No10.

I feel a similar antipathy towards the LD and Labour due to Self Id

And the Greens.

But not the Tories? The ones actually in government proposing the amendments to the GRA to allow self-id?

Tells me all I need to know about you.

Jesus wept. War criminal Tony Blair?

Normally follow the news, must have missed his arrest, trial and sentencing lol!

I don’t think some of the things Labour are suggesting are necessarily brilliant, but I don’t think they are dangerous and idiotic like Boris.

I will vote for the candidate most likely to remove our Tory MP-that will be Labour.

Many Brexiteers will be utterly delighted with him so I’d imagine they will vote for him. I live in a grassroots Labour area but they also mostly voted Leave. I can’t see people in this area voting Tory but I reckon many will vote for Bojo because he’s ‘getting the job done’.

Me or @LoueyLou , Perking?

*Labour plans to confiscate property, abolish private education, and devastate the economic base of this country with crippling taxes.

Damned right I’m voting Conservative, come what may.*

Agreed, and I'm sure many, many people will feel the same.

“It's actually one of the strengths of the Conservatives. They may have scraps in public but when it comes to the ballot, they ultimately vote for the party. Perhaps with the view that PMs come and go but the party 'ethos' towards capitalism, business, etc, remains the same.”

I’m not sure about that anymore. I remember when I had my last ballot paper and I was conflicted. Economically-speaking (for us at least), voting Tory was a no-brainer, but I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for TM who stood on a mandate to push through a Briexit that even she didn’t believe in. The Conservatives were knocking at our door every other day, telling us that a vote for LD in our borough was essentially a vote for Labour nationally. But we still voted LD, having voted Conservative since the 90s.

The Brexit referendum was an emotional vote for so many, as, let’s face it, nobody really had any real facts or any idea how it would play out. Prople voted on a gut instinct largely - in or out - and I think this next GE might play out the same way. How much damage can JC inflict in one term of office (if he even lasts that long)? A No Deal is the more scary option for many as it’s permanent.

If you believe in Democracy and decency, leave or remain, then I cannot understand how you could say you would vote for Conservatives.

That doesn't mean you vote for Labour or LDs.

WonderWoman it's getting to the point if you start it I'll stand for deputy. I say that as someone who has never joined any political party.

If you believe in Leave then you will also believe that BJ is being more democratic than those MPs trying to block Brexit. It's really not hard to understand random.

Trewser did you learn about how democracy in Britain works when you were at school?