To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

Labour should be walking ahead in the polls!

Yes - they should! Still could not imagine Corbyn worse than the mess the Tories have got us into. Cameron brought us Brexit mess and Johnson has made it much worse! They have driven and are driving UK into chaotic division.

I have always voted conservative but am a moderate/liberal conservative and a strong remainer. I am appalled at what this government is doing. I couldn't vote for them at the moment. Id have to vote lib dem but that would be a wasted vote here.

No vote is wasted - parties get their majorities raised or lowered - either way a message is sent.

Boris may be unpalatable to many, but given the truly dire state of politics right now, he is the best on offer.
Nobody of a sound mind would even consider Corbyn, and the Lib Dems , SNP, DUP etc etc etc are always only ever going to be runner ups, no matter what they say.
So while Boris might ruffle a few feathers of the more delicate members here, he would get my vote in a GE purely on the basis that there is no credible opposition.
Sadly, none of the main parties have any major rising stars to consider either.

seasideclair you are a right charmer.

People being scared for their and their families lifes does not equal rifling a few feathers in my eyes.

You say dire state of British politics and he is the best of a bad bunch.

We are so lucky to have some amazing MPs at this time who are fighting this sociopath tooth and nail and winning.

There are many MP’s standing up to this odious oaf - from all sides - if they don’t show their political morality now they never will.

If Boris resigned and a more moderate conservative was PM I still think the party as a whole is the best option for the country. But the right wing lot in control at the moment worry me and I hate that Dominic Cummings is in such a position of power when he isn't even an elected official.

Labour getting in would be a nightmare for us personally and I think Corbyn is incompetent. If a more moderate labour leader Kier Starmer or Yvette Cooper were in charge however, I could probably be persuaded to shift my vote.

There's enough right wing enthusiasts to keep Tories, even the current far right version, in power forever. If we can find another tory-lite for labour, we might get another labour government. But that would need media support as well.

Some people are quite rude about politicians. I would nevre call Corbyn a sociopath or odius oaf.

The Tories are more likely to win than Labour because we have the best policies. Labour has not managed to win a general election since 2005.

The current Tories are very middle ground and high spend so probably fairly like to get in. They are spending far too much money for my liking.

Odious Oaf is as mild as I can muster for Bawbag Johnson (and even that is too mild for an amoral, unprincipled, woman hating, goading, self centred imbecile.

The current Tories are very middle ground and high spend so probably fairly like to get in. They are spending far too much money for my liking

Making big promises, typical populist.

They have promised to spend big bucks but as far as i'm aware, apart from Brexit preparations, have spent little.

Agree, if you tot up their spending promises, it has to come from borrowing (costly & unsustainable) or tax rises, which as they have promised to cut higher rate taxes, will have to come from everyone else.

"seasideclair you are a right charmer.

People being scared for their and their families lifes does not equal rifling a few feathers in my eyes.

You say dire state of British politics and he is the best of a bad bunch.

We are so lucky to have some amazing MPs at this time who are fighting this sociopath tooth and nail and winning."

Calling me names because I am a realist?

Please feel free to point out any of these "amazing" politicians. Myself and most of my friends see a bunch of selfish, narcissistic, individuals all trying to gain a few points over their opposite number, with no real effort being put into what will ultimately be best for this country.
They have by and large ignored the wishes of the majority who voted to leave, and pursued their own personal and individual goals, regardless of the instructions given to them by their voters.

PS Calling out the treacherous politicians for surrendering to the bully boys of the EU is not inflammatory, it is a statement of fact.

Calling out the treacherous politicians for surrendering to the bully boys of the EU is not inflammatory, it is a statement of fact

Only to the sort of people who celebrate aggression & threat toward those who don't agree with 36% of the electorate.

The EU has bullied no one.

I don't think calling anyone names is particularly helpful. Most politicians could earn a lot more doing something else including Corbyn but instead give their time to try to help us all. Most of them are pretty well meaning even if fundamentally wrong (Corbyn, McDonnell etc)

The voters will decide at the next election, whenever that will be.

Vote Conservative.

At the moment, I feel like we have a choice between the worst Labour and Conservative parties of my lifetime.

I would prefer to vote for the Lib Dems but, with regret, may end up tactically voting for Labour.

As bad as Corbyn is (and i really do think he's a terrible leader), I do believe he has respect for the core principles of our country (well, he doesn't like the 'Monarchy' part, but he's not about to abolish it).

I think Johnson, on the other hand, has contempt both for Parliamentary Sovereignty and the Rule of Law. For that reason, I believe Boris is the more dangerous to our country.

And, misguided as I think he may be at times, I do believe Corbyn genuinely believes he is acting in the interests of the majority of our society. Boris, on the other hand, is dishonest, self-serving and I think he views a lot of our society as 'useful idiots'.

Unfortunately, I think the Torries will be the largest party (carried home by fake news and incendiary soundbites). I hope it isn't with a majority.

Vote Conservative

I have in the past, when the Cons were a one nation party but they are now a far right populist party, with views more akin to AFD, FN, in fact in many areas, they've gone further, far further.

If they lose the next GE they will come back to a more centrist position.

So, for me its LibDem.