To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

It would be considered unremarkable for any Tory manifesto up to and including 1974. so untrue you think it be unremarkable in 1834 by peel

I still don't understand why anyone votes Tory in the first place. Part of me considers anyone who does heartless. I'll probably vote lib dems in a ge (what's wrong with that?). Labour do need to drop Corbyn :/

Unless Labour get a landslide, they won't be able to get the more out-there policies through Parliament.

I really don't see them getting a landslide, or even close.

Voting for the Johnson party (I won't call it Conservative as it's not really conservative any more, and is haemorrhaging Conservative MPs) is voting for someone who doesn't care about whether stuff gets through Parliament or not.

He closed Parliament, and no longer even pretends it was for any reason other than to stop all Parliament's work.

His fellow privy-councillor Rees-Mogg appears to have been untruthful to the Queen.

His advisor Cummings, a nihilist who openly wants to destroy the UK political system, is still in Contempt of Parliament for refusing to give evidence to a select committee. Even Rupert Murdoch didn't try that, and Murdoch doesn't even live in the UK.

And he's been in Parliament this evening saying the highest court in the land is wrong and, on another matter, that he won't obey the law.

Add to this his hours' long stream of incendiary terms this evening which had many MPs requesting him to moderate his language – particularly female MPs who've had their families threatened by people repeating the same terms.

If Labour get in, we'll be able to vote them out again.

If Johnson gets in again... well... I'm not sure we'll have a working democracy and independent judiciary when he's done.

Seriously? Boris is standing up for 17.4 million people.

Corbyn seems happy to say 4 legs good 2 legs bad. Does anyone really want that?

Unless Labour get a landslide, they won't be able to get the more out-there policies through Parliament.

Oh wow, what a relief - they’ll be able to rob us only half-blind! No thanks.

Boris Johnson is standing up for Boris Johnson.

This so called stalwart of Brexit was on the fence prior to the referendum.

He's not enacting the will of the people.

The UK voted Leave. That was a mandate to leave the EU, not a mandate to leave without a deal and plunge the UK into an economic crisis.

No deal isn't the end to this issue. It's the start.

The start of many years of negotiating trade agreements from a position of weakness because we have no trading terms with anyone.

Why is Trump so supportive of Boris? Simple. A no deal Brexit is great news for him and the US.

We crash out of the EU and go cap in hand to Trump with absolutely no leverage. The US can pretty much write their own terms and say sign here - they don't even have to say please.

That's with an ally....now think about negotiations with China for example....

What will they demand?

All this rubbish about Brexit protecting UK sovereignty...when it come to trade deals we will be stripped of our economic freedom and independence to a degree that will made the EU "interference" look positively tame.

Johnson is in the throes of breaking our Parliamentary democracy.

It happens to be Brexit that he's riding when he does it, but no one who's followed his career seriously believes he has any special desire to leave the EU. It's just an opportunity for him.

Him doing this will effect everyone. The 17 million who vote Leave; the 16+ million who voted Remain; the rest of the electorate who didn't exercise their vote; the rest of the population who don't have a vote.

Brexit is big, and needs to be carried out well and competently. The wrecking operation Johnson is happily fronting is bigger.

Boris is digging his own grave, the high court case & the way he has spoken in parliament last night. He treat MP's from all the opposing parties with total contempt, told Tracey Brabin who took the seat that Jo Cox represented that the best way to save the memory of Jo Cox was to vote for a no deal Brexit, had absolutely no respect for some of the MP 's who had ten times as much experience in parliament than him. He never showed any humility for the fact he had been proved to have lied to the Queen & parliament, shouted down anyone who asked a question & more or less told everyone that he was still going to do just what he wanted. When Jeremy Corbyn wanted to speak to him, he just got up & walked out, the speaker told him he needed to stay & listen to what was being said but he just shook his head & walked out. If anyone still wants to vote for him they ought to go & give their head a good waggle.

@DeRigueurMortis

Spot on. Especially the first post which explains precisely why the Conservatives will get the most votes at the next General Election.

But if they form a coalition with the Brexit Party, the worst is yet to come. Their policies beyond leaving the EU are frightening.

Boris Johnson is standing up for Boris Johnson

Correct- a self serving man who has no real interest in the welfare of the country. Labour needs a new leader - but more of this morally bankrupt government frightens me far more than Corbyn.

I wonder if the scare tactics "Fear of Marxists!" will work any better this time than it did in 2017. Did Tories lose in 2017 b/c May was such a bad campaigner & BJ will be very different on the stump, b/c he wins on visual and noise even if he loses on substances and morals? (maybe?)

Maybe BJ only alienates people like me who were almost certainly never going to vote Tory, anyway.

yet... note the dates on these "Labour is unelectable!" headlines.

Sensible conservatives.. Does such a thing exist anymore? Not sure I count the rebels, they arent really tories anymore.

Why aren’t senior Tories in the Commons calling for his resignation? This is what I don’t understand.

Yesterday Heseltine said he is appalled by the government, and had this been a Labour PM, the Tory opposition would have been “baying for their blood”.

”It's almost inconceivable for me to watch a Conservative government behave in this way."

Lord Heseltine says he is "dismayed" to see how his party have reacted to the Supreme Court ruling and that "in any normal circumstances, the Prime Minister would have to go.

Equally no one with an iota of sense could possibly vote for Corbyn’s Labour now either.

If enough people vote Lib Dem they might get somewhere despite FPTP.

So in your opinion 'sensible' people would choose to vote for the anti Semitic communist party that Labour now are?

Fuck me. At least Boris is trying to do what the country voted for.

The Tories were disgraceful last night. Yet this rhetoric will win them votes... can see the election strategy already. And it despairs me.

Labour are not an anti Semitic communist party anymore than the tory’s Are not anti Islamic fascists.

Ffs people moderate your language!

Boris does not care what the country voted for, but Brexit is his election strategy yes.

With a bit of insincere waffle about schools and hospitals.

His treatment of opposition MPs yesterday shows us what he really thinks of all of us.

OP I do recognise that this is the nearest people of your sort ever get to trying to understand those who disagree with you and be persuasive so I must commend you for the effort, however inadequate.
But you need to recognise that the bearded god you worship is possibly the one man in the country who can make Boris Johnson look good by comparison.
Sane labour MPs know what needs to happen but they didn’t have the gumption to do it when they could and now they can’t.

Lloyd brain, I have no idea why you are assuming how I vote!

Please stop with the theatrical patronising rhetoric.

I still will. I think he's doing his best to fulfil his promise despite being thwarted at every turn by a parliament who wants to ignore the referendum result. They have damaged his negotiating position which was initially quite strong. I hope he finds ever more inventive ways to combat their thwarting of democracy.

I’ve always voted conservative for many reasons, but really struggling now. Although saying that I would never vote labour, especially with their policies and leader now. So I guess I will either vote conservatives again or Lib Dem.

So could lib dems win?

I won't be voting for him but I couldn't vote for Labour either.