To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

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Didn't we have a referendum? And the majority voted to leave the EU? So isn't bj carrying out the democratic will of the people? I voted remain and even I can get my head around it.

YANBU. A vote for the tories after the performance of the PM and AG yesterday (let alone in the past few months) is morally reprehensible.

The Tories are certainly not acting democratically, the referendum was advisory so there is no onus to implement it. The Supreme Court decision could well have gone either way. Not it couldn't, it was unanimous, therefore 100%, therefore there was no other way.

Tewser yes there was an advisory referendum. But the UK is not a Dorect Demcoracy.

We said we wanted to leave. People listened to the claims on all sides and made their choice. Parliament are there to scrutinise the government and ensure we do that in the least damaging way for the country.

BJ forcing through No Deal without a mandate is not democratic.

the referendum was advisory so there is no onus to implement it

Well, if the LDs get in and cancel it, we'll see where that gets us.

Trewser like that will happen!

I don't agree with the LD's stance and I won't vote for them - although if they were the only alternative then I would vote for them over a Tory MP.

Normally follow the news, must have missed his arrest, trial and sentencing lol!

Yes. Bet you would find it hilarious if your brother was killed in a war that the Prime Minister, sent us into based on lies.

the referendum was advisory so there is no onus to implement it

Why does everyone keep repeating that as if it’s some kind of get out of mess free incantation?

In general terms, why do you think it’s customarily considered necessary to abide by the results of referenda?

What do you think would happen if a PM (this one, the next one, any one) made a public address saying “We’ve decided that as it was advisory we’re just going to ignore it and forget it happened. Business as usual folks!”

Yesterday's performance will have made Johnson more popular.
Many of the Labour and Lib Dem MPs came across as inexperienced and unable to handle a debate without getting upset and angry.

IMO this was because Johnson remained in control and was pushing all their buttons and they fell for it.
More experienced MPs wouldn't have fallen into his trap.

Love we couldn't be any worse than the current set of MPs and Leaders. And I do think there's space for a party that is unafraid to define female and woman. It could be our USP.

Beerandbiscuits seriously? We had Geoffry Cox attacking Parliament and then Boris Johnson taking it to whole new levels.

People (and that's what they essentially are) are scared for the lives. They are scared for their children's lives, they are scared for the lives of their parents. Yet you are saying they should not have got emotionally - in the face of such an attack?

Did you hear later after BJ had left the chamber Jo Swinson.

I am not her biggest fan but I have a child of a similar age to her. Her child has been threatened. A 5 year old threatened. Yet you are saying a mother of a father should not get emotional.

What has this country become?

BJ forcing through No Deal without a mandate is not democratic.

Nor was when MPs of all parties voting to deliberately scupper any kind of Brexit deal over the past 2/3 years, ignoring the will of the people in the referendum and ignoring their own constituents in areas that voted decisively to leave.

Kazzy we could have left on 29th of March if BJ or ERG have voted for the deal.

At that time TM had a majority. So if Tories and DUP had supported her we would have left.

Nor was when MPs of all parties voting to deliberately scupper any kind of Brexit deal over the past 2/3 years

Including Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg, and other Tory hardliners who blocked it. Tbf, Theresa May got the deal without consulting parliament first and not by consensus, again a tory failing. Also, what happens in parliament is democracy in action.

ignoring the will of the people We dont know that the will of the people was a no deal Brexit because they were never asked that, on the contrary they were told we would get a deal and it would be easy to

What Boris wants to do which is truly Democratic is hold an election. That is the way political disputes get resolved in this country. Through political means.
I am as vehement a remainer as you can find and even I am becoming slightly nauseated by the spectacle of parliament at the moment. We want to be recalled - to do what? Spend more time tormenting the PM while the country looks on in disgust, it’s problems ignored while sanctimonious twats wank on about jo cox on one hand and the will of the people on the other.

We had a referendum which combined all possible Leave versions into a single option – which got a combined vote of just over 50%.

I could tell this was going to be a shit show from the morning I woke up after the referendum. Whichever version of Leave was enacted, very obviously a large number of Leave voters were going to be annoyed that it wasn't THEIR version.

In part this is because of the crap and casual way Cameron set the referendum up.

In part it was because of the complete failure by Leave campaigners (Johnson, Gove, other) and by Theresa May as Prime Minister, to grasp this nettle.

The only sensible way forward the morning after the referendum would have been to say: "OK, the country has advised on the big picture: we want to leave the EU. We will now spend the time and money to work out the detailed different versions, and we can all vote on which detailed version we want. It will be Single Transferrable Vote to build the greatest consensus. It will include Remain again to prevent the sort of brinkmanship that has in fact transpired (including Remain would force Brexiteers to offer realistic Leave options the voters actually wanted, knowing we could put Remain as our second choice if we didn't get our first Leave choice).

I would have expected the confirmatory referendum to return a Leave choice – unless lots of Leavers had changed their minds when seeing the more detailed picture. But posters here are often keen to tell us hasn't happened, so...

I agree it needs to be done, even though I'm a remainer, but not at all costs. We need to do it in a way that causes least damage to our country.

The people shouting leave and go boris, then will they be happy to take the 30/40 percent increase in the cost of living . (Drop in the pound and new tariffs), that's the question. The signals are no.

For me, it's do it, but do it with the least damage. Personally I'm appalled by Boris's behaviour and don't feel he is fit to be prime minister.

If we thought it was embarrassing before, it was nothing like the shit show that was last night.

I'm wondering what his Cabinet think. Is this what they were expecting?

I mean, maybe it was. Because surely no one was expecting calm from Boris Johnson.

I agree completely lloyd

Whichever version of Leave was enacted, very obviously a large number of Leave voters were going to be annoyed that it wasn't THEIR version.

Exactly. And whatever version we end up with, people are going to rant and rave that it's betrayed the 17.4m by not being a 'real' Brexit. Ugh.

If Boris Johnson really wants to leave, he needs to stop throwing a strop that he can't just do whatever he wants and actually get a deal. He keeps telling us he's going to get a brilliant deal - well? where is it?

The indications are his cabinet are not happy. Even Rees mogg made a statement saying politicians need to moderate their language.

And Geoffrey coxs reaction when Boris said that they stood together thinking the Supreme Court was wrong was very telling. There is a difference between saying I don't agree rhe decision but respect it, and saying flat out they were wrong. It's again the language.

I think boris is being hoisted by his own petard. Who he really is is coming out now. He's an aggressive arrogant bully boy, not the affable buffoon people once thought.

Yes Corbyn is worse but to be fair right now it's marginal. Neither of them can be trusted with the country. If Boris keeps going like this he's going to start making Corbyn look the less dangerous. And that's saying something.

What has happened to our country where it's now in the hands of two men who pose a signifcant risk to all of us.

Kazzy we could have left on 29th of March if BJ or ERG have voted for the deal.
Well no - you in fact contradict yourself below by adding that all the Tories (ie not just BJ and ERG would have had to vote AND all the DUP)

At that time TM had a majority. So if Tories and DUP had supported her we would have left.

So not just BJ and the ERG, but the DUP as well.

Yes Corbyn is worse

Ha hahahahaha - yes of course.

family be picky all you want. The fact remains that Boris Johnson did not vote for TMs deal twice.

Yes Labour in the majority, LDs and SNP also did not vote for TMs deal but we cannot and should never forget how many in the Tory Party voted.

Yes. Bet you would find it hilarious if your brother was killed in a war that the Prime Minister, sent us into based on lies

Blair was completely and utterly wrong/evil to support Bush/USA in the Iraq war BUT he is not a war criminal, as like anyone else, he is innocent until ....

Personally, i would have Blair and Bush in the Hague, to justify his actions.

I apologise that my comment was insensitive.

Blair was completely and utterly wrong/evil to support Bush/USA in the Iraq war BUT he is not a war criminal, as like anyone else, he is innocent until ....

He has been shown to be guilty. He just hasn't faced justice. This is why I dont understand why several posters say they would vote labour if it was Tony Blair.

Ita like people have memories.