Am I missing something? Its the EU that don't want to do a deal, not the UK so why all the flack to Boris?

[QuiQuaiQuod]

Am I naïve? Am I interpreting this right? I'm so sick and tired of the whole thing, but isn't it the EU that are playing silly buggers in their petulance? Boris is trying to do a deal.

Yet everyone is blasting HIM.

BTW I voted remain but accepted the result and just want it all over and done with, plus the attitude of Brussels and remOANERS,- not Remainers who accept result -has been abysmal .

I am not a fan of Boris BTW but he seems to know what to do. Or have I had my head stuck in the sand for the last 3 years?

Please be gentle, no bun fights, a sensible discussion please,

isn't it the EU that are playing silly buggers in their petulance?
No. No it isn’t, @QuiQuaiQuod
The EU has a duty to its members to protect their interests. It has the pillars of the EU to respect. It offered a deal, which we rejected. It’s our decision to leave, so the ball is now in our court. It’s not the EU’s fault and never will be, whatever leavers say. Oh, and Boris isn’t trying to do a deal. He says he is, but the EU confirm he has offered nothing new.
By the way, remainers are quite entitled not to accept the vote and to continue to campaign to remain. It’s called democracy - something leavers are supposed to like. It doesn’t make them ‘remoaners’ - such a childish word.

Don’t forget his bridge suggestion. Hardly fair to say he’s put forward NO suggestions ....

The EU would only agree to a deal that essentially tied us to the EU with no means of unilateral release.

This completely undermined the authority of the UK parliment. There was no way it was ever going to pass parliment.

Only agreeing to a deal that will undermines the sovereignty of a state, isn't reasonable. Its the very definition of unreasonable.

So yeah the EU are totally have their share of the blame for the current predicament

Oh God...

No, not quite. The deal we have been offered is the deal WE proposed, and were granted by the EU, which protects the Irish border without a border down the Irish Sea - the DUP’s bugbear. WE have rejected the deal in parliament 3 times (rightly, I should point out, as far as I’m concerned - I would have been more open to a deal with single market access in particular). WE are now demanding the impossible. As things stand there is no viable alternative to the backstop in the absence of single market and customs union membership. Unless WE move on the red lines that WE set, the EU will continue to do what it’s doing now - to protect the integrity and safety of the Irish border with Ireland as one of its member states.

Please have a look at this Twitter thread and perhaps adjust your interpretation of the intentions of so called ‘Remoaners’ - it states the blindingly obvious far better than I ever could: Edwin Hayward Thread

I voted remain and was gutted at the time, but I am not naive enough to think that the EU is entirely blameless. When we do finally leave they will need to take a long hard look at themselves - far too bloated, far too biased in favour of France and Germany and with a lot of disgruntled members!

Being able to see that the Eu is not perfect doesn't make you a frothing Brexiteer!

Honestly with talk of ‘remoaners’ it sounds like you’ve fallen wholesale for the propaganda machine.

There is no solution that gives the UK everything the leave campaign promised.
There is no solution that leaves the UK better off.

Yet Boris and the leave side insist that they want this and nothing else will do. The problem is it’s unworkable. This is what happens when you ignore the experts.

Why do they have a share, though, Volcanion?
The situation isn’t of their making.
The border in Ireland is a problem - how would you solve it?

The EU isn’t perfect at all but we were one of the largest members. We made it what it was and we had a veto vote against all its decisions. It would have been so much better to change from within. If we’re outside, we’ll likely have to fit with their regulations anyway in order to continue trading with our largest partner. That’s the case whether we have a deal or no deal.

So what do you say OP to the fact that the EU have offered a deal and it has been rejected? 3 times by Boris I might add.

I dont believe for one second you voted remain btw

It would have been so much better to change from within i completely agree with this, of course it would. Can't ever happen now though.

Like I said, thank you for enlightening me.

BTW , I have to log off now for now, have things to do, I will tune in tomorrow if I can.

I dont believe for one second you voted remain btw

How ridiculous! Of course people voted remain but might question a huge trading blocs motives after realising that the only deal we were offered was one that would never let us leave!

Filthy I am not a liar . I find that remark quite offensive.

Id happily see enforcement pushed back to the irish sea with no hard border between NI and Eire. That wont get pass parliment though thanks to TM's general election handing power to the DUP. the EU have said they would put up a hard border if we didnt in the case of no deal etc which shows peace is really only important to them when they can use it as a bargaining point.

The EU could be doing far more than they are

They really can't, not without dismantling the four pillars of the EU and throwing the Anglo-Irish border to the wolves. They've said more than once, in a respectful way, that the UK has no idea what it really wants and it's not up to the EU to figure it out for you.

As much as my heart breaks for the people of Britain if Brexit actually happens, I wish you would either revoke or fuck off and let the EU get on with the business of taking care of its people.

I don't think the EU massively care about Ireland. They care about a precedent being set which will affect other EU borders ie Switzerland!

the only deal we were offered was one that would never let us leave

We were offered the only deal available once we had dismissed all the other - several - possible options due to Teresa May's bonkers and arbitrary red lines.

See Barnier's stairway model for reference

It is not the EU that is being inflexible and intransigent.

As much as my heart breaks for the people of Britain if Brexit actually happens, I wish you would either revoke or fuck off and let the EU get on with the business of taking care of its people

The EU is a trading organisation. It should always have built exit strategies into its membership. The fact that it didn't is a failing.

Your post is like a Tory brexit bingo sheet. If you genuinely believe anything that you've written, it's time you started doing some reading.

Your post is like a Tory brexit bingo sheet. If you genuinely believe anything that you've written, it's time you started doing some reading.

Trewser no one is saying that the EU is perfect but it is much better if we stay and influence it from within. And the Franco-German bias you mention is currently less pronounced owing to the accession of Eastern European nations.

In what way specifically would you like the the EU to take responsibility when a member wants to leave? [Genuine question.] The EU have been very open and very consistent about their terms from the very beginning. Are you expecting it to favour a country that is leaving (UK) over a Member State that remains in the Union (Ireland)?

The UK chose to create the problem by voting to leave. You cause the problem, you fix the problem. Take responsibility for your actions.

Frankly if I were the EU I'd feel well shot of the UK.

Is that you Boris?
I think you're the only person that thinks Boris knows what to do.

There are exit strategies, Trewser. I've just posted a slide showing a whole bunch of them.

It's not the EU's fault that the UK has turned its entitled little nose up at all of them and demanded cake, cake and yet more fucking cake.