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To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

778 replies

gc400 · 15/09/2019 22:31

For asking to be called they/them?

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SirVixofVixHall · 15/09/2019 23:32

Indeed VladmirsPoutine . The Sam Smiths need to go and volunteer in a soup kitchen or similar and think of other people instead of all this endless self obsession. It isn’t healthy, and it is all rather adolescent.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 15/09/2019 23:33

He can't be that stupid, seeing as an awful lot of people are talking about it. Then again, his new tour isn't until next year and there doesn't seem to be a release date yet for the album so he might have got the headlines too soon.

It is harmful, however. There's no such thing as 'thinking like a woman'. Yet here we have a man who thinks he can somehow define his particular feeling/mood/impression as a specifically female one, therefore telling us how we must think and behave and reducing us to a blob of hive mind for which he decides the parameters rather than actual individual people just like him. CBA with it.

NoSquirrels · 15/09/2019 23:34

It's actually really, really hard to refer to someone as 'they' in a conversation. We tested it at lunchtime! And if you have to say their name over and over instead to get around it "Sam Smith says that Sam Smith is non-binary which means that Sam Smith does not identify as a man or a woman" then it gets ridiculous.

It's all regressive gender bollocks. Or gender ovaries - whatever. Regressive bullshit, let's go with that.

My MIL was Shock as we tried to explain it to her!

Flamingosrule · 15/09/2019 23:35

Sadly ..he has probably now set a new ‘trend’ with the youngsters .. he is an attention seeking knob .. I’ve never liked him or his music ...
the non binary is just bollocks ... this ‘they’ has
now taken it to the next level!

powershowerforanhour · 15/09/2019 23:36

" I am feminine in many ways and I've always resented that," he says.

Resenting what you perceive as feminine traits. How lovely.
Sam is a bit chubby and a sniveller.
Sam realises that society perceives chubbiness and snivelling as not-a-real-man traits.
So Sam thinks that they must be womanly traits, because of course non-man and woman mean the same thing, as "woman" is the dumping ground "other" category for anyone who isn't a proper man.

Sam decides that chubbiness and snivelling are female traits, and instead of calmly accepting that everyone has flaws, or alternatively drying their eyes and eating their broccoli, sticks a label on xirself that says, "Any shit bits of me can be accounted for by the fact that I am part female".

Lazy and misogynist.

VladmirsPoutine · 15/09/2019 23:36

Sam Smith is a man. A gay man at that. He is a man. His pronouns if we're going to all be making a song and dance about pronouns are 'he/him'. Why does he get to compel language? Yes I'm sure it doesn't take any energy for me to replace the word 'him' with 'they' but why should I forgo reality; ACTUAL biology to appease someone's warped psychodrama. I'm not engaging in this madness/rhetoric and neither should anyone else.

I don't care if that renders me a bigot. We have transwomen claiming they are women, saying they are lesbians. Now an assault on grammar. This is again an assault on women as they have to sit there and pretend they don't understand science because John who now calls himself Jane is apparently 'non-binary'. Get in the sea.

Flamingosrule · 15/09/2019 23:39

A marketing ploy from his agents I guess - Who don’t give two fucks what mental health issues they give his young fans! 😡

CheeseToastMarmite · 15/09/2019 23:41

Vladimirs making a song and dance Grin

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Ididit2019 · 15/09/2019 23:43

Completely agree, it's becoming ridiculous.

GabsAlot · 15/09/2019 23:45

He can refer to himself how he wants but how that work in a conversation i dont know

bluegirlgreen · 15/09/2019 23:47

Very annoying individual.

And why is it that SO many men want to transition to female (especially 40+) but very few women want to transition to male - especially at 40+???

Annoys the fuck out of me.

You are a MAN Sam, sorry and all that dude.......... Hmm

Zerrin13 · 15/09/2019 23:47

I wish he would grow up and shut up

WhenPushComesToShove · 15/09/2019 23:50

If HE'S got XY genes HE'S a bloke. All this 'they' crap sounds like Gollum speech!

RubyViolet · 15/09/2019 23:50

Yes ridiculous and sexist !

joyfullittlehippo · 15/09/2019 23:51

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timshelthechoice · 15/09/2019 23:54

XY = male. Y chromosome = male. Sam is male, he.

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peakygal · 15/09/2019 23:56

Im possibly one of Sam's biggest fans and even I think it's ridiculous. YANBU

hopefulandstrong · 15/09/2019 23:57

Sad thing is I'm a very open understanding person. Went to two Prides this year but all this is to confusing for me in a conversation.
It's a miracle when I call my dc over and actually use the right names

So in the next few years I'm going to come off as stupid, ignorant or homophobic.

How is this making the world a better place???

Holdingmynerve · 15/09/2019 23:57

I've stopped conversing with a gender neutral person at work. One day they are he, the next she, the next them or they.

Trying to get them on the phone is a fucking nightmare because their calls are screened by a sycophantic handmaiden who insists on correcting you if you don't win the 'what are they calling themselves today' lottery when you ring and ask for them.

I'll just find someone else to deal with!

PickAChew · 15/09/2019 23:59

I'm sure they announced this a few months ago but they didn't get enough attention for long enough.

VladmirsPoutine · 16/09/2019 00:00

I've become somewhat quite intense/radical about this over the past 3 years. But the normalisation of this sort of thing is going to be the downfall of women if we don't start to shout and scream about it to all and sundry.

If being non-binary means you do not subscribe to gender stereotypical norms, then surely no-one is born in the 'wrong' body. Why so many identifications? You'd think it was Pokemon Go with all the gender labels. And I'm not saying that as some ancient 'back in the day life was good'... I'm a millennial. And I'm doing my best to trans-peak as many people as feasibly possible. This is an erosion of womanhood so please when you get the chance explain all this to someone who might consider this whole thing innocuous.

This is an assault on women's rights, spaces, and identification.

I have never met a woman who could tell me what it 'feels' like to be a woman. Of course many women could explain how being a woman has shaped their experiences/lives in terms of jobs/earnings, children and so forth but not A SINGLE woman could explain what it 'feels' like because we just ARE. So why is it that a certain category of MEN want to again push women aside and explain our 'womanhood' to us and want access to our spaces and lives. Get in the fucking bin.

Campervan69 · 16/09/2019 00:01

Also agree as someone who calls my children by a string of names occasionally landing on the correct one. Im just going to avoid speaking to people like this or I'll be flung in prison for misgendering.

Dita73 · 16/09/2019 00:02

YANBU. This whole gender thing is,ironically,bollocks!