To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

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For asking to be called they/them?

All non binary is can be reduced to “personality” so Sam has a personality ! He likes some things traditionally associated with female people, but which some men like as well ! He wants to put on high heels and do wiggly dancing ! His personality means we must not assume he is simply a feminine gay man. Oh no, Sam has a personality so large and special that he must be plural from now on, while everyone else, (who in contrast must all have strictly laydee interests or strictly blokey ones) has to remain the boring old singular.
What will happen when Sam realises that everyone is non bloody binary ?

There's a lot of people on this thread that are getting Sam's pronouns wrong, Sam wants to be known as they/them. So saying that it's his right to be called whatever he wants to be called is spectacularly missing the point.
I reckon that Sam must have a new album coming out and they want to raise their profile.
I think Sam maybe over invested in themself and may have over estimated the interest of the public in themself.

@TheAlternativeTentacle I guess they can request whatever they want. Might not happen but he’s well within his rights to request. It just doesn’t sound right

He's a self-absorbed, silly and attention seeking knobber.

What people sometimes don't instantly realise is that this is dictating how somebody refers to you when they aren't talking to you and when you are likely out of earshot anyway.

In English, we refer to somebody in the third person and conventionally use he/she and him/her. it's not a value judgment or an attempt to describe how the person feels/identifies - it's just a word to describe somebody who isn't involved n the conversation and we have two variant forms which are determined by the third person's biological sex.

It's not really that different from languages where everything is assigned a gender - the French don't agonise over whether the table really 'feels' female or whether the boat identifies as male - they just use the conventionally-accepted assigned forms of 'the' and get on with their lives.

German, having masculine, feminine and neuter noun classifications, is an oddity because the definite article form for the word for 'girl' is neuter rather than feminine. Yes, they would subsequently go on to describe her as 'her' rather than 'it' but people just accept that that's the accepted standard grammar and get on with it without any drama.

I don't think Tom Petty ever identified as anything other than 'male/he' and Sam certainly found a lot in common with him

Sam who?

YADNBU. He's an attention seeking idiot, and don't get me started on the grammatical side of using 'they'. Let's just say that it gives me the rage!

ERM... don't you mean that Sam Smith are being ridiculous!

UYANB

They has decided they need some column inches, they probably have a new album coming out

Shame I used to like Sam, went to a gig (where he got a big cheer for describing himself as a proud gay man etc, good for him). But following his insta cured me of that... posing in heels, dresses etc “hot grrl” and lots of similar captions. It is incredibly sexist; Sam thinks Sam is non binary because Sam feels slinky in a dress and likes Sam’s legs in heels and that’s what being/feeling feminine is all about, right? I unfollowed after getting tired of it and despite liking his music I think all this is pretty insulting to women (plus - I’m a bit of a stickler for grammar and can’t stand all this plural nonsense).

I think there's a big difference between saying you don't understand it and calling it bullshit, who are we to say what people should think or feel?!

Live and let live, it's not hurting or harming anyone and speaking about it could really help someone feeling the same way and not knowing feeling "normal". Probably because many have the opinions of PP.

No problem with Sam’s dress up by the way; just think it doesn’t mean he’s not a man. He’s a man who likes dressing up (sorry Sam).

Will he now be The Sam Smiths ? Sort of like the Smiths but with no Gladioli, or shimmering guitars ?

What is it with all these blokes not wanting to just be men?

I wonder, if there was a spell to turn them into real women (no way to revert back) how many would actually really want it.

I don't think that it can be helpful to see yourself as non-binary though. They said themselves that there were days when they felt masculine, feminine and then horribly depressed when transitioning between the two. Rather than see themselves as some thing different, how about just accepting that, as gay males, or indeed any person, they have a range of different feelings. Don't we all have a range of behaviours/feelings? All this dwelling over it and dissecting it in great detail seems to be contributing to their depression. Rather than 'non-binary' actually seeking to remove pressure from individuals struggling with identity, it seems to be causing more internal confusion and fuelling depression.

When you are with someone you either call them by their name or you say 'you'. You won't generally be using the third person singular unless that person is absent. If they are absent they have no idea what pronoun you are using. It strikes me that the pronoun issue is indicative of people worrying too much about what other people are saying behind their backs.

Exactly this. Perfect explanation.

I am Weezol. My pronoun is 'The'.

Is it about dresses and make up? A man can wear a dress and make up. It is allowed.
They are still the same sex no matter what they wear. The language we use to talk about people refer to their sex. Changing it is factually incorrect and a bit delusional.

I'm presuming that Sam Smith doesn't identify as a simultaneous carbon copy of Sam Fox, Sam Brown, Sam Cooke, Sam Quek, Sam Mendes, Sam Peckinpah, and Sam from Sam & Dave.

Don't even get started on the millions of people who share the surname Smith.

Hmmmm, it's almost as if somebody has suggested that it's possible to be referred to by the same basic word as many other people - and yet never actually be expected to have anything the same or even remotely similar in common with them....

Yanbu. I don't care what anyone tells me but this has gone too far. Non-binary is nonsense. We are all binary. We are all either men or women. This is a biological fact. Don't anyone drag intersex into this as they are often weaponised by TRAs as to why sex is meaningless, therefore men can be women... resulting in us being called 'uterus havers' or 'menstruators' as opposed to our usual term: WOMEN.

No-one thinks girls should only wear pink and women should spend their time receiving Spa treatments in lieu of e.g. playing football or putting up an Ikea cupboard.

It's frankly nonsense and the entire ideology is contradictory. It is navel gazing, attention seeking silliness from an over-privileged man with frankly nothing better do.

SirVix absolutely spot on!

YANBU

Why is it that men who think of themselves as non-binary or whatever seem to think that the 'woman' part of them has to wear dresses and high heels, almost as though it's the defining characteristic of a woman to wear frocks and heels?

It's like all the transvestite men I know want to dress less like women actually do dress and more like a prostitute on the lookout for a punter - heels, stockings, short dresses etc.

They don't want to be women, dress like, or identify with women who wear trousers, no make up, have hairy legs and wear trainers (ie about 90% of women).

Hello my pronouns are fuck off