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delicate family problem, WWYD?

242 replies

sunflowers63 · 15/09/2019 19:31

Definitely NC for this. Will try and keep it short.

I live in the UK, my parents live in another country and I only see them every couple of years at the most, when they come here, usually for Xmas. I get on OK with them but my father can be a bit of a twat and our political views etc do not coincide. So I tend to be fairly superficial with him, otherwise I get annoyed.

I have a stepdaughter, who is 24 and at university. She is single at the moment, and is a very pretty, bright, fab girl all round. I have a brother, let’s call him Ted, who is 37 and lives in another country (not the one where my parents live, although that is not really relevant). My brother recently got divorced, after a pretty disastrous marriage which we in the family were all very sceptical about from the beginning (I kept my scepticism to myself and tried to be friendly to my SIL, however my parents, on the rare occasions when they met her, were quite rude to her and about her, and made it abundantly clear to my brother that they did not approve of her).

My parents are coming to us this Xmas. I was hoping that stepdaughter would also come home for Xmas, in the uni holidays. She has now told me that she won’t come while my parents are here because of something my father said to her a few months ago (when she happened to be visiting the country where my parents live). He reportedly said to her that she should sleep with Ted, in a jokey kind of way. I suppose he thought he was being funny and probably that he was complimenting my stepdaughter by saying that he wished poor divorced Ted could get such a lovely girl.

My stepdaughter was disgusted by this, she did not say anything to me immediately as she did not want to upset me (we are very close), but over the summer holidays, when I asked her if she was coming home for Xmas she said that she could not, because my father will be here, and she had to tell me why. I was embarrassed, horrified and had no idea what to say (still don’t). My DH does not think I should say anything to my parents, my father is likely to either have forgotten the incident altogether (very likely), just deny it, or to say it was just a joke and not understand why anyone would make a fuss.

Should I do anything about this? It is not difficult for my stepdaughter to avoid my parents, they are here once every two to three years at the most. I just feel sad and angry that she has to.

OP posts:
Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 06:59

@sunflowers63

Your Father sounds like my husband he is always spouting inappropriate stuff which is not PC - for example he noticed two gay men sitting opposite us in a pub and whispered loudly they look like a couple of shirt lifters. I could have bopped him one Angry

Have you asked your Father about this because he might not realise he has offended her?

Bookworm4 · 16/09/2019 07:04

@jesamine
Bopped him? How about telling him to stop being a nasty bigot? What a horrible man.

Bookworm4 · 16/09/2019 07:07

Not realise he has offended her? Wtaf?!
I despair of half the women on here, excusing this nasty old pervert, suggesting a young women sleeps with his much older son?? On what planet is that not offensive?
The DSD is not a snowflake, she’s choosing not to spend time with this creep and the PP on here excusing it as a joke , his age etc are just as bad, I hope you don’t have daughters!!

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:07

@Bookworm4

He doesn't realise he is being offensive he was born in the 50s and is from the Benny Hill era

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:09

@Bookworm4

I am not excusing his behavior at all - I think it is an age thing, look at some of the comments Prince Phillip has made, the Queen must want to gag him.

LiveInAHidingPlace · 16/09/2019 07:11

@Jesaminecollins Weirdly enough, there are plenty of old people who are not homophobic, racist bigots.

Fink · 16/09/2019 07:14

Regardless of what you do about Christmas, I think you need to confront your DF about what he said. At the moment there's been no consequences for him. Even if they do end up coming to yours, he needs to understand that you absolutely condemn what he's said and will not have it.

Bookworm4 · 16/09/2019 07:16

@Jesaminecollins
It’s not age, he’s always done it, stop excusing nasty bigoted behaviour, start with your ‘D’H he sounds vile.

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:17

@LiveInAHidingPlace

I know there are - I am one - well nearly one I am late 50's

Bookworm4 · 16/09/2019 07:18

To add, I have a 90 year old relative who is polite and a gentleman and would never utter crap like that. What age is your husband? Is he senile? Funny? I doubt it 😡

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:19

@Bookworm4

I don't excuse his behavior at all - I point out all his mistakes every day - its hard work trying to stop him saying stuff that is nasty believe me. Anyway lets get back to the OP's father suggesting the stepdaughter sleeps with older brother instead of having a go at me.

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:21

@Bookworm4

To add, I have a 90 year old relative who is polite and a gentleman and would never utter crap like that. What age is your husband? Is he senile? Funny? I doubt it 😡

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Good for you! We all aren't as lucky as you to have such perfect relative are we!

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:22

@Bookworm4

He is 65 and I am dreading when he retires tbh

LiveInAHidingPlace · 16/09/2019 07:24

65 is not even old ffs. He grew up in the 60s.

hopeishere · 16/09/2019 07:25

Context is everything:

Your dad - "you should give Ted the ride of his life" inappropriate

Your dad - "it would be great if Ted could find a lovely girl like you" unwelcome maybe but not inappropriate.

Which was it?

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:25

@LiveInAHidingPlace

I know - he is just getting ready for work now and asking what I am typing lol luckily he doesn't know how to use a computer Grin

bananasandwicheseveryday · 16/09/2019 07:26

@Jesaminecollins

Sorry, that is ridiculous. My Dh is a very similar age to your and fully understands what is acceptable and what isn't. As do my older relatives, born in the 1930's and 1940's. My relatives are not 'perfect' - neither are they offensive bigots.

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:26

@hopeishere

Good post

Jesaminecollins · 16/09/2019 07:28

@bananasandwicheseveryday

Well you can pick your friends but you can't choose your family can you.

IsSummerOverYet19 · 16/09/2019 07:28

Why do you and your son only get to see your parents if they come here - why can’t you go to them sometime?

Are they in an unsafe country, or are there other reasons you can’t go?

PicsInRed · 16/09/2019 07:28

OP, I would strongly advise your husband to side firmly with his daughter over this and you can spend Christmas just you and you parents.

If you both take your father's side, SD will rightly phase you and her father out of her life.

She will remember this.

She didn't make an ultimatum, she set a healthy boundary around not spending time with someone who sexually harassed her. This was bad enough, but I doubt this is all that's ever happend. May be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Frouby · 16/09/2019 07:32

I think the time to raise it was when it was said. I think your parents need to come at Christmas and your step daughter has to make her own choice.

At 24 she is old enough to fight her own battles. You are not responsible for what your father said, he is. If she felt uncomfortable she should have raised it at the time because it gets harder the linger it goes on.

That's the problem with not calling people out immediately. No matter how uncomfortable it is, it only ever gets harder the longer it goes on. Until it's almost impossible, like now.

Tell her she is more than welcome, agree your father is very inappropriate and give her permission to pull him immediately on anymore inappropriate comments and reassure her you will have her back.

As tough as it sounds this is a good lesson for her as she negotiates her way through life. If more people called out inappropriate old men, then less daughters would have to listen to shit like this. So she either sucks up Christmas where she is, or she comes and sticks up for herself.

It was a vile, vile comment. It should have been pulled there and then, or she should have reported it immediately to you or her df.

NotQuiteBloodyNora · 16/09/2019 07:39

If you have the funds, I would book a hotel for your parents for the duration and for Christmas Day lunch, where you and they have lunch together.

Your DH and your DSD can have lunch at home (and you can join them once you have escaped)

If queried, you can legitimately say that as a family your DH and you weren’t happy to have a potential repeat unintended offence and wanted your parents to be comfortable as your house is her home.

Gets you off the hook (as if your Dad is of the generation that believes in male supremacy he will think it’s your husband’s house anyway) and them out of your house.

Disfordarkchocolate · 16/09/2019 07:41

I think this could well have been the last straw for your stepdaughter. More than likely she has listened to his odd comments many many times and this comment was just too much or too personal. I would speak to your father, he was persistently made you uncomfortable, now it has had wider consequences. He needs to face these not your stepdaughter.

LiveInAHidingPlace · 16/09/2019 07:41

"Well you can pick your friends but you can't choose your family can you."

Don't know about you but I was able to choose my own husband.