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To Tell Friend To Feed Her Child Properly

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ChilledBee · 15/09/2019 18:04

I have a friend with a four year old son. He's very small for his age and her HV and GP have made suggestions about how to change this. She isn't vegan but eats meat seldom and only shops organic and local. She makes these dishes which are foreign type stews with things like aubergine and squash (I eat/cook these things too) and will sprinkle some feta or another cheese on top. Or something with spinach and lentils. It isn't awful but for an acquired taste. My DH says it Italy seems like a side dish and he is waiting for the joint of slow cooked meat and some potatoes to accompany it. Any meat is organic/free range butcher ordered so very expensive and rarely eaten. She is very much into ethical shopping/farming/eating.

The trouble is, when I see the vegetables,they are often old (she gets a lot of home grown produce from her own allotment or that of friends) so I imagine the nutrients are depleted. Her son barely eats any of the food she gives him and she does worry about that because he's not only small but has some vitamin deficiencies too. But she thinks it has something else going on rather then he just doesn't like the food she makes.

Last week, she had to unfortunately stay in hospital for several days (10) with her mother who was touch and go. Her son stayed with me and even though it was something completely unfamiliar, he settled in well. She gave no dietary instructions so I just fed him like I do my own kids (3,3 and 1) on home cooked meals cooked from scratch (spaghetti bolognese,shepherds pie, burgers and chips) and he wolfed it down. In fact, the first day he came he had seconds and ice cream and jelly afterwards (pudding isn't routine in our house). I am embarrassed to say that I weighed him that night and the day before he went home. He gained 5lbs! My DH felt that I was out of order weighing him but I have to say that seeing him eat like that made me want to prove something I'd suspected all along.

I want to tell her that her son badly needs to eat food he likes and is healthy for a child. She often refers to childhood obesity but I think she underestimates the amount of fat and carbs a growing child needs. I know she feels quite isolated by her HV and GP who have sort of threatened her with SS (she says) but won't refer her for the medical investigations she wants. Her sister had 'failure to thrive' and was later found to have cerebral palsy which contributed to this but it isn't a hereditary condition which could explain her son's small stature. My DH doesn't think she is mentally stable. I think she is precious at best.

Would you say something?

OP posts:
ethelfleda · 15/09/2019 20:24

Obviously we've had years of articles on how processed crap is bad for kids, but let's not forget the recent stories of vegan parents who's children have died from malnutrition and starvation. Kids need food to grow and develop. That's the most important thing- getting semi decent food into them

Exactly. There is a spectrum. And a happy medium is surely a balanced diet. A few treats here and there won’t hurt but most importantly a balanced diet that your kids will actually eat. Whether or not they’re ‘foreign’ stews.

Celebelly · 15/09/2019 20:26

Only on MN would home-cooked 'normal' food be a shit diet Grin This place is delightfully bonkers about food.

Anyway my 7mo DD had spaghetti (actually it was linguine as it's easier for her to grab) bolognaise tonight with WHITE PASTA AND RED MEAT. I'll await the knock at the door from SS any minute now.

hazeyjane · 15/09/2019 20:26

Has the child been prescribed any fortified foods/drinks by the medical professionals?

iMatter · 15/09/2019 20:27

"foreign type stews"

stucknoue · 15/09/2019 20:27

It sounds to me that the problem is that her ds is fussy and not eating the perfectly nutritious food she is providing. Sounds tasty and balanced. I would not interfere unless she asks you because the foods you mentioned are not ideal either unless they are eating vegetables too

hazeyjane · 15/09/2019 20:27

....is the child seeing any other professionals for health or development concerns?

MariusJosipovic · 15/09/2019 20:27

I want some jelly and ice cream now... But then, we have pudding daily in this house!

OP you are not being unreasonable, if her son ate with you eating normal proper food and doesn't eat his mum's manky-sounding slop, I think you should say something. Frankly she sounds like a nightmare with weird food issues, like half of MN.

vanillaicedtea · 15/09/2019 20:29

@LoreleiRock

Someone who is obviously very concerned for the health of a child. I'd much rather people looked out for suffering children, as opposed to ignoring them. Yes, it was in bad taste, but it's a serious matter. Imagine if this child gets seriously unwell in the next few years due to a sheer lack of nutrition? OP is clearly trying to help, and saw with her own eyes a child who usually eats very little, eat a lot.

If you want a diet that doesn't have a lot of meat and such in it, you really need to do your research and consult with a medical professional and make sure your child's diet is balanced properly, and ensure your child is taking additional supplements. Not listen to a GP telling you to add these things into the diet, then ignore the advice. That's bad parenting at the very least, and dangerous at the most.

hazeyjane · 15/09/2019 20:29

Is the child at preschool/school?
What do they eat there? Have they expressed concerns?

vanillaicedtea · 15/09/2019 20:30

@Celebelly

Oh don't worry. I gave my weaning baby a taste of mince and mash potato yesterday. I imagine I'll be next on the list.

HepzibahGreen · 15/09/2019 20:30

Same same zaphod with the milder dishes for kids, and adding yogurt. I have loved hot and heavily spiced food since about birth but not all children do.

Isitnearlyweekend · 15/09/2019 20:31

I would ring the child’s health visitor and social services. Sounds like the child is being neglected if she’s not feeding him properly.

hsegfiugseskufh · 15/09/2019 20:32

vanilla my ds (3) had chicken nuggets chips and a corn on the cob for tea tonight. I expect there will be a warrant out for my arrest tonight courtesy of the 6 stone wet through mnetters.

mathanxiety · 15/09/2019 20:32

If your child doesn't eat the 'perfectly nutritious' food you are offering and is small for his age, with observable signs of vitamin deficiencies, and you won't change his diet despite the advice of two medical professionals, then the problem isn't the picky eating.

At some point the grown up here needs to hoik up her big girl knickers, get over herself, and reset her priorities to where they should have been all along. You don't save the planet at the expense of your child's health and growth. I agree with the OP's DH that the mother doesn't seem to be stable.

This child ate the perfectly nutritious food at the OP's house.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 15/09/2019 20:32

If he's in reception isn't he eating at school, too? And presumably she's not serving African stew for breakfast... I think it's very unlikely that he has vitamin deficiencies solely because he doesn't like her cooking.

Also, it might have been not the food but the environment. A lot of children will eat things they don't eat at home when they're surrounded by peers.

Celebelly · 15/09/2019 20:33

@vanillaicedtea You're a monster. And as for you, @holidayhelpppp, well, I have no words.

Sewrainbow · 15/09/2019 20:34

All I would say is that he ate well with you and emphasise a couple of meals he did like and offer the recipe.

DON'T say you weighed him before and after him staying with you, its weird and very judgemental, I'd be upset and feel very criticised by you if you did it to my child. Its change how I thought about you and could well damage your relationship which I'm sure you dont want.

slithytove · 15/09/2019 20:34

If your spag Bol isn’t healthy you are doing it wrong

5% mince
Onions, carrots, celery, garlic, bell peppers
Lentils
Tomatoes, tomato purée
Low salt stock
Dash red wine

What about that is bad? 1/3 veg, 1/3 mince and 1/3 lentils plus the tomatoes, then pasta, lovely balanced dish

mathanxiety · 15/09/2019 20:34

Frankly she sounds like a nightmare with weird food issues, like half of MN.

THIS ^^
With bells on.

I can't believe the nonsense I see posted here sometimes.

Whatsforu · 15/09/2019 20:35

Well the worlds gone mad well MN has anyway!!!! Here is a child who is struggling to thrive due to,( by the sounds of it) a mum is obsessive over "healthy" foods to the point of not changing for the well being of her child. That is most definitely abuse and somebody needs to step in. The mum may be suffering from mental ill health and that child needs protecting.

BlueCornsihPixie · 15/09/2019 20:35

whirlwinds but it's perfectly possible that his cousin was in fact overweight?

If you say your DS is bigger than most of his class, this points to this tbh

My cousin is 5'1 and I am 5'8 (both female, similar age). My brother is 5'11' and cousin 6'3 (both male and same age). Our parents are v. Similar heights (6'3 males, 5'2 females). You can't just say "his cousin is x therefore he must be" it's just bs

There's nothing wrong with a child being vegetarian, a child can be perfectly healthy on a vegetarian diet. There's also nothing wrong with a very slim child

Realistically we don't actually know what is wrong. It maybe the diet just needs some tweaking, more cheese etc. It might be the friend is a shit cook, it maybe the child is fussy. It might actual be a health issue.

I think this is between the friend and the dietician, it's a hard balance between children eating healthy and eating what they like. A good dietician will be able to point the friend ways she can edit her diet to provide her Ds with the right nutrients and foods he will eat. It doesn't mean she has to start cooking Ops diet, or start cooking lots of meat.

I suspect if this has been going on a year the friend probably has tried quite a few things. If doesn't sound like the diet is low in fat/protein etc. It's just food the DS doesn't seem to like. It doesn't sound like the friend has major food issues so I find it hard to believe she would just watch her DS starve

CloudyVanilla · 15/09/2019 20:35

Some mental opinions about food on here! You need to look into what goes into a meal before criticising it, perfectly healthy normal meals on both ends of the spectrum are being called shit.

It doesn’t matter your opinion of either parents food, surely the point is that there is a parent who’s son is failing to gain weight to the point where healcare providers are concerned about his welfare.

If I had a friend who had told me that, then looked after said child who ate plenty of my cooking and gained weight, I would also be concerned, because it eliminates other factors such as sensory or health issues in the child, and points to diet being the main reason for his poor growth and nutrition. How is this not a problem?

How to approach it on the other hand is another matter entirely.

hazeyjane · 15/09/2019 20:37

True, it would be interesting to hear what else he eats through the day apart from the stews....I would imagine the dietician would have asked for a food diary.

mathanxiety · 15/09/2019 20:38

BlueCornishPixie,
whirlwinds observed her DC's growth trajectory change for the worse after going vegetarian.

She wasn't solely relying on comparison with the cousins.

BlueCornsihPixie · 15/09/2019 20:39

I used to have a very fussy friend as a child

He would shovel food at friend a houses, and then go vommit in the toilet, because he didn't want to be rude. At home he just wouldnt eat. Children do behave differently at other people's homes

I also had a friend with CF, whose mum went to the GP about 20 times with varying issues. Multiple chest infections, poor weight gain etc. Before the GP even considered CF.

I'm not saying this is the case with this child, but honestly just because a child ate well in front of the OP doesn't mean that a) this is the only issue b) there's no actual medical issue

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