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To Tell Friend To Feed Her Child Properly

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ChilledBee · 15/09/2019 18:04

I have a friend with a four year old son. He's very small for his age and her HV and GP have made suggestions about how to change this. She isn't vegan but eats meat seldom and only shops organic and local. She makes these dishes which are foreign type stews with things like aubergine and squash (I eat/cook these things too) and will sprinkle some feta or another cheese on top. Or something with spinach and lentils. It isn't awful but for an acquired taste. My DH says it Italy seems like a side dish and he is waiting for the joint of slow cooked meat and some potatoes to accompany it. Any meat is organic/free range butcher ordered so very expensive and rarely eaten. She is very much into ethical shopping/farming/eating.

The trouble is, when I see the vegetables,they are often old (she gets a lot of home grown produce from her own allotment or that of friends) so I imagine the nutrients are depleted. Her son barely eats any of the food she gives him and she does worry about that because he's not only small but has some vitamin deficiencies too. But she thinks it has something else going on rather then he just doesn't like the food she makes.

Last week, she had to unfortunately stay in hospital for several days (10) with her mother who was touch and go. Her son stayed with me and even though it was something completely unfamiliar, he settled in well. She gave no dietary instructions so I just fed him like I do my own kids (3,3 and 1) on home cooked meals cooked from scratch (spaghetti bolognese,shepherds pie, burgers and chips) and he wolfed it down. In fact, the first day he came he had seconds and ice cream and jelly afterwards (pudding isn't routine in our house). I am embarrassed to say that I weighed him that night and the day before he went home. He gained 5lbs! My DH felt that I was out of order weighing him but I have to say that seeing him eat like that made me want to prove something I'd suspected all along.

I want to tell her that her son badly needs to eat food he likes and is healthy for a child. She often refers to childhood obesity but I think she underestimates the amount of fat and carbs a growing child needs. I know she feels quite isolated by her HV and GP who have sort of threatened her with SS (she says) but won't refer her for the medical investigations she wants. Her sister had 'failure to thrive' and was later found to have cerebral palsy which contributed to this but it isn't a hereditary condition which could explain her son's small stature. My DH doesn't think she is mentally stable. I think she is precious at best.

Would you say something?

OP posts:
hazeyjane · 16/09/2019 09:55

I'm not sure if you said about any other health and development concerns op? I just wondered if this is why the parent might want further medical testing, especially considering her sister (pre the advances in genetic testing, cerebral palsy was sometimes given as a diagnosis if no other cause for difficulties was established- especially if it was a late diagnosis)

On the one hand I agree that if a child refuses healthy family food to the extent that their growth falters, then a child needs to be fed what they will eat, to get calories in. It is interesting that on the many threads posted by parents of children with extreme restricted diets and 'fussiness', there are always the posters who claim '...a child will not starve themselves to death....be hardline....don't pander to fussiness....etc etc This thread has gone rather the other way!

It seems surprising that a child has such an extreme reaction to ALL the food that the parents put in front of them, but had no issues with any of the food the op served...to the extent they jumped from the 2nd centile to 25th in 10 days.

The parent has obviously been concerned enough about the child's growth to see the HV and GP. In my experience, a concern over growth would be, depending on the level of concern, followed up by a period of monitoring alongside a referral to community dietician (who would talk about healthy diets for children, suggestions about eating as a family etc) or direct referral to the dietetics department at hospital who would also monitor, but look in detail at what the child actually eats (including info from school) in order to maximise nutrition. If necessary...where weight has fallen or plateaued and height growth is slow, then they may prescribe fortified foods and drinks or vitamins. Alongside this tests for deficiencies and looking at allergies and intolerance (as appropriate) would probably be suggested.

If they had social services concerns it seems strange that they haven't been followed up with any action, like a visit to the home or discussions with the school.

Ds has a very restricted diet and I am amazed by how others sometimes respond, by insisting he has eaten certain foods (thanks school!) or assuming that we just throw some crappy food at our kids and...." have you ever tried....?" Whilst at the same time sabotaging some of the foods he will eat (thanks again, school!) Fortunately he has robust support from the dietetics team, GP, paeds
and gastroenterologist.

You obviously have an extremely close friendship with the parent, having her child for 10 days, so just know the situation pretty well. If you really do suspect that the child is being harmed through the parents care then you need to report to social services.

ChilledBee · 16/09/2019 09:57

@Spingtrolls

He is underweight with some vitamin deficiencies. I'm not 100% sure what ones other than anaemia.

@tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz

Someone said that aubergines and squash aren't foreign. I was explaining that she uses them in recipes from her travels across Africa and the Middle East. The whole foreign stew thing is me trying to poorly explain that the food she makes is spicy and has complex flavours. It isn't that my children don't eat foods like that but with "one pot" food, there is no escape. I might make something meaty or veggy which is spicy or rich but it will be accompanied by other foods which are tasty but more neutral. With a spicy stew, you don't have the option to tone down a bit of spicy meat with some mashed veg. I will make an effort to switch some of our interaction to my house though.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

I don't think suddenly taking meals round would be fitting for us. It would be such a change given that I mostly visit her at hers and eat there around half of the times I visit. It would prompt a conversation.

@360eyes

I don't want to terrify her with SS cases. I just think someone (me or professionals) should say to her that the food isn't working for him and before he has cameras down his throat or up his bum or whatever, maybe just try some hearty meals.

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hazeyjane · 16/09/2019 10:00

So does he have digestive issues as well? (ie colonoscopies and endoscopies)

Chillisauceboss · 16/09/2019 10:01

I'd definitely say something.

The kid is small, isn't waging hat she serves but clearly has a very healthy appetite when fed different types of food.

Honestly what's the worst that can happen?

She gets upset and defriends you... or she starts giving him different types of food and gets his weight and nutrition back on track.

So many people getting hysterical about this thread but I think it's quite simple imo

For what it's worth I'm a vegan family and we're thriving. So I'm not insisting burger and chips are the only way forward. But I think it's important to respect your children's palate, taste and needs whilst honouring your own choices too. They aren't mutually exclusive. I will often take out a blander portion of stew before I spice mine up for example

ChilledBee · 16/09/2019 10:04

She just text me this:

"BTW DC gained just over 1kg last week! What did you feed him?!"

I'm going to just use it as an opening.

Maybe my scales are wrong. Isn't 5lb about 2kg?

OP posts:
ThatLibraryMiss · 16/09/2019 10:07

2nd centile isn't too bad btw

It is if he started on the 91st.

SleepyHiraeth · 16/09/2019 10:08

The whole "he doesn't like the food"... When I was in sociology class, there were some teens whose families had come from Africa originally, and they were all aghast at the idea of telling a parent you didn't like the food, they said it's rude! One boy said back in Sudan you eat what you're given or yo go hungry! Would you report them? They seemed to cope and all looked healthy.

BarbariansMum · 16/09/2019 10:08

Sounds like you have created an excellent opening for discussion, well done. If you can help her adapt the ingredients she wants to feed him into recipes he finds more palatable, you might have more success then just "ditch the veg, bring on the burgers".

ChilledBee · 16/09/2019 10:08

@hazeyjane

Those types of tests are what she thinks should be the next step but GP, HV and dietician thinks their diet (going by food diary) doesn't have enough meat or carbs for him and that should be addressed first. Dietician thinks he has a behavioural issue around food and that's why she should offer higher calorie food so he eats that over a few spoons of stew.

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vanillaicedtea · 16/09/2019 10:09

If I see another post about 'foreign type stews', my god. Stop being pedantic, it's clear OP was trying to describe the type of food, to show us why the child wasn't a fan. Many children prefer plainer flavours, so stop purposely missing the point so you can gain points by being so 'woke'. Absolutely boring to read.

OP I'm glad she's noticed! Hopefully she'll take it on board and finally get some nutrients into him.

noodlenosefraggle · 16/09/2019 10:15

You can adapt spicy stews though, so if she is insistent on giving him the stews, maybe she will be more open to adjusting the food by taking out the chilli but using other spices or serving rice or mashed potatoes with it so he has buttery mash with a bit of stew and some plain vegetables by the side. You have a good opening to tell her to mix it up a bit as well, so he doesn't have African food every day but a couple of days they can have shepherds pie or spaghetti bol.

HennyPennyHorror · 16/09/2019 10:16

Sleepy did you really just write "yo go hungry" as an imitation of a black child?

noodlenosefraggle · 16/09/2019 10:17

If you're going to take food round, what about taking the same thing round but not spicy with some excuse like you made it mild for your kids etc. She may feel flattered rather than judged and the kid may eat it.

noodlenosefraggle · 16/09/2019 10:18

henny I presumed that was a typo my phone always does it!

SleepyHiraeth · 16/09/2019 10:26

That was a typo

SleepyHiraeth · 16/09/2019 10:29

I don't get why you would think it was an imitation of a black child fgs rather than a typo, "yo" is pretty common among white kids too particularly in London which is where I live

dottiedodah · 16/09/2019 10:33

Maybe you could have a chat and say her little boy loved Spag Bol .Why not say to her that she could perhaps try some extra veg with it (Shouldnt be too unhealthy if chopped carrots ,courgettes and less meat ,served with wholewheat pasta ).At the end of the day its her decision what to serve him .But the HV must surely have pointed her in the direction of good nutrition ,and healthy ways of getting children to eat veg and so on.

HennyPennyHorror · 16/09/2019 10:34

Sleepy I read one of Maya Angelou's books once and remember her saying people had imitated black people as saying "Yo" instead of you.

Yo go here...not "Yo!" as in "Hi" Sorry about that. Maya's writing is very memorable!

nonmerci · 16/09/2019 10:36

I think the stews you mentioned sound nutritious and fine. If she is offering lentils and cheese, that is fine protein and a bit of fat too. Your DH sounds rather backwards ‘waiting for meat and potatoes’ like it’s 1940 Hmm.

I don’t think the child needs to eat burgers and chips to gain weight. I also don’t really think it’s any of your business tbh.

SleepyHiraeth · 16/09/2019 10:38

Ohhh I get you!! No sorry I just typed too fast and missed the u probably didn't tap it hard enough or something, my phone doesn't autocorrect words it just gives suggestions as you type the word

Vanhi · 16/09/2019 10:57

Maybe my scales are wrong. Isn't 5lb about 2kg?

2.2lbs = 1kg. But it may well be that some of his weight gain was fluid retention. Also, our weight fluctuates naturally over the course of a day and it will depend on what he was wearing. Your scales are probably OK it's just that the weight came about from something other than a great gain in fat and muscle over the course of a week.

CassianAndor · 16/09/2019 11:23

henny don't be daft. Of course it was a typo. Dear God.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 16/09/2019 11:29

Ok OP thanks for clarifying. Agree it sounds like you've now got an opener into the conversation. Plain yogurt and lemon juice can be added as a seasoning to make spicy food less so, she could try that?

I agree with the opinion here that with with the best will in the world if a child won't eat a plate of food there may be room for compromise.

Disagree totally that posters like myself are going for the "woke" points by not suggesting abandoning interesting, tasty and imaginative foods. With some exceptions children are often very open to new food experiences, it can just take a while to teach their taste buds new habits.

Hope it goes well OP Smile

Cohle · 16/09/2019 11:42

So your friend is feeding her kids organic homemade meals with tons of vegetables and you think she should be making burgers and chips and ice cream and jelly instead?

And whilst she was in hospital with her very ill mother you were weighing her kid without her permission so that you'd have ammunition to criticise her parenting? Confused

If her child is under the care of dietitian and the GP/HV are already involved I'm really not sure why you think your interference is warranted.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/09/2019 11:48

What did you respond?

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