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To Tell Friend To Feed Her Child Properly

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ChilledBee · 15/09/2019 18:04

I have a friend with a four year old son. He's very small for his age and her HV and GP have made suggestions about how to change this. She isn't vegan but eats meat seldom and only shops organic and local. She makes these dishes which are foreign type stews with things like aubergine and squash (I eat/cook these things too) and will sprinkle some feta or another cheese on top. Or something with spinach and lentils. It isn't awful but for an acquired taste. My DH says it Italy seems like a side dish and he is waiting for the joint of slow cooked meat and some potatoes to accompany it. Any meat is organic/free range butcher ordered so very expensive and rarely eaten. She is very much into ethical shopping/farming/eating.

The trouble is, when I see the vegetables,they are often old (she gets a lot of home grown produce from her own allotment or that of friends) so I imagine the nutrients are depleted. Her son barely eats any of the food she gives him and she does worry about that because he's not only small but has some vitamin deficiencies too. But she thinks it has something else going on rather then he just doesn't like the food she makes.

Last week, she had to unfortunately stay in hospital for several days (10) with her mother who was touch and go. Her son stayed with me and even though it was something completely unfamiliar, he settled in well. She gave no dietary instructions so I just fed him like I do my own kids (3,3 and 1) on home cooked meals cooked from scratch (spaghetti bolognese,shepherds pie, burgers and chips) and he wolfed it down. In fact, the first day he came he had seconds and ice cream and jelly afterwards (pudding isn't routine in our house). I am embarrassed to say that I weighed him that night and the day before he went home. He gained 5lbs! My DH felt that I was out of order weighing him but I have to say that seeing him eat like that made me want to prove something I'd suspected all along.

I want to tell her that her son badly needs to eat food he likes and is healthy for a child. She often refers to childhood obesity but I think she underestimates the amount of fat and carbs a growing child needs. I know she feels quite isolated by her HV and GP who have sort of threatened her with SS (she says) but won't refer her for the medical investigations she wants. Her sister had 'failure to thrive' and was later found to have cerebral palsy which contributed to this but it isn't a hereditary condition which could explain her son's small stature. My DH doesn't think she is mentally stable. I think she is precious at best.

Would you say something?

OP posts:
Winterlife · 15/09/2019 22:10

I would stay quiet. Her menu sounds much healthier than yours, it just sounds like she’s struggling in her approach to getting him to eat properly. Yes under eating isn’t healthy but neither is a diet of red meat and white carbs...

Vegetables lose their nutrients rather quickly. So, if the mother is buying vegetables that are already old, there may be little nutritional value in the.

Children do need protein and fat in their diets to thrive. That doesn't have to be from meat, but if not, then the mother needs to find alternate sources of protein (and fat) that will replace those nutrients.

StockTakeFucks · 15/09/2019 22:14

This whole thread is just a forum for the OP to show how she loves her children more with her 'cooked from scratch' home meals v her friends 'foreign type' foods with 'old' (wtf?) weird veg.

Is it? Is it really?

OP can be the most horrible (racist,snobbish,stupid whatever ) person in the world. It doesn't change in any way the fact that there is a small child out there that is not thriving,not eating and in need of supplements and vitamins. A child whose mother would rather have him medically tested than trying to alter his diet.

When your kid is not doing well you try anything,even chicken nuggets. I bloody cried when DD had her first happy meal and actually ate a full meal.

derxa · 15/09/2019 22:14

The kid is on packed lunches,there's no escape. When I was teaching we had a child whose DM was just like this. The poor DC was sent in with 'healthy' bread ie an inedible brick and other unappealing items. The DC didn't eat it and we were concerned and intervened. The child was suffering from malnutrition.

stayathomer · 15/09/2019 22:18

I think the suggestion to say how much he loved spaghetti bol was a good one. You are definitely nbu BUT you are definitely too involved-if I thought someone had weighed my child I'd be 100 % out, I'm sorry OP, but it was a creepy thing to do

StockTakeFucks · 15/09/2019 22:21

The DC didn't eat it and we were concerned and intervened.

Eventually all the professionals involved in this child's life,school,GP,HV will take a more serious approach to try and change things.

In the meantime the child is not doing great, and intervention could be traumatic (for both) depending on the mother's willingness to engage with the services available.

SciFiGirl · 15/09/2019 22:25

Wow Op some really harsh opinions coming through. There was a thread on here yesterday about a severely overweight teenager, 99% of the comments were laying blame at her parents door. Overweight child or underweight child....both unhealthy. When this child was born he was above average weight now he’s below. It’s worrying

FromEden · 15/09/2019 22:27

You sound like a dick tbh, not a friend.

I know right, taking in this womans child for 10 days. And worse, feeding him. What a fucking dick

HennyPennyHorror · 15/09/2019 22:30

I know a woman like this and her DS is in my DD's class. He's so small and thin. But he IS dairy free and I've been wondering if I need to say something to someone. He has no meat, no dairy but a vegetarian diet including occasional eggs. It's all veg and rice from what I can see.

hazeyjane · 15/09/2019 22:30

Gingerbreadsonme
One thing for sure - OP won’t need to tell his mum he’s put on 5lb - as a 4 year old on the 2nd centile it’s something in the region of a 5th or 6th of his entire body weight.
Yes, and a jump up the centile charts from 2nd to just under the 25th.

HennyPennyHorror · 15/09/2019 22:31

I honestly think it's a sort of eating disorder. The woman I know is always paying cranks to "test" her son for this and that.

ChickenyChick · 15/09/2019 22:32

I totally do not believe a word, “foreign type stew”

Indeed Grin

Aridane · 15/09/2019 22:34

I wonder if the child will tell his mother that the strange lady kept weighing him and staring at him at mealtimes?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 15/09/2019 22:36

The burgers were pork so not red meat.

I’ve got news for you, OP...

Ignoring the healthy vs unhealthy debate, I don’t think it’s a given that the change has anything to do with the type of food. Children do behave differently both when being looked after by their parents and when among their peers. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the child will eat the same spag Bol at home.

waterrat · 15/09/2019 22:41

Ludicrous criticism here of OP. It takes a village !!
If I like a friend enough to trust them with my child in an emergency then I will take kindly meant advice from that friend

The child is not thriving and the Op has suggestions if food he has enjoyed eating. What the hell is wrong with our miserable joyless cold society where she should butt out and not speak openly with her friend about it.

He is a child who clearly needs more carbs and fats and indeed needs tasty food to encourage him to eat.

perplexedagain · 15/09/2019 22:44

FFS - children need food to grow. If OP isn't getting enough food he won't thrive. A healthy diet is a balanced diet - carbs, protein, dairy and fruit and veg. There is nothing wrong with burger and chips for kids followed by fruit. They serve this at our primary school and it meets all nutritional requirements. My DC ate everything as a baby / infant then became increasingly limited at age 3.5-5.5, and now at age 6 is becoming a bit more adventurous. He tried a (IMO mildly spiced) vegetarian bean chilli last night but even then he said it was too hot - so I will adapt for his taste buds. OP friend sounds like she has food issues.

perplexedagain · 15/09/2019 22:44

Sorry that didn't make sense - it should read

If OP friend's son isn't getting enough food he won't thrive

HennyPennyHorror · 15/09/2019 22:46

I agree..nothing wrong with burgers and homemade chips at all. I make burgers for my children, with homemade oven baked chips and it's a healthy meal. We live in Oz and have kangaroo mince burgers. Very lean meat and a homemade burger with a load of salad is great.

GunpowderGelatine · 15/09/2019 22:49

I am struggling to see how you think you fed him better feeding him burgers and chips when he usually has veg?

I thought when I read the title I was going to come on and read about a little boy who survives off Malteser's and Skios, but aubergine - really?! Pull the other one

GunpowderGelatine · 15/09/2019 22:50

Also it's NOT a good thing that a child puts on almost half a stone in a little more than a week

SoftSheen · 15/09/2019 22:50

YANBU. Young, growing children need proportionately more fat and carbohydrates than adults do. I would invite both mother and son round for supper, and let her see the son enjoying what you've cooked. Then maybe offer to share the recipe...

BiffNChips · 15/09/2019 22:54

91st centile at birth and has now dropped to the 2md centile.

I'm so confused. Was he 91st centile for weight and now 2nd for weight? Previously you said 2nd for height.

HennyPennyHorror · 15/09/2019 22:56

Gelatine a homemade burger is fine. Don't you make them ever? They're not always swimming in fat and high cal sauce you know.

SoftSheen · 15/09/2019 22:56

I think that some people are forgetting that a good diet for a middle aged, moderately active woman who needs to lose a bit of weight will be very different from a good diet for a growing, active young child who needs to put on some extra weight.

SunniDay · 15/09/2019 23:01

Hi OP,
It is very difficult for you to discuss this with your friend but I think that you really should. If her child is small and underweight enough for the GP and health visitor to be concerned his body and brain will be being damaged possibly irreversibly. An adult can follow whatever fads they like but a child needs enough nutrients and enough calories. Any nutrients that only end up in the bin are no more use than if they weren't offered at all. Perhaps you could show your friend some "healthy plate" ideas for children from the NHS resources etc. You could try and approach it like "can I help you try to get to the bottom of your son's eating/weight - see if we can find any ideas he likes" so not quite saying "what are you playing at?" but treating devising a diet that works for him like a challenge. If she is not a vegan or vegetarian would she consider fromage frais /cheese/meat for snacks? That would be an easy way of boosting his calories and nutrients. Also hot chocolate made with full fat milk in the evening. You could tell her it will help her get SS off her case.

The other more sinister possibility is that she knows that she is under feeding him and is deliberately keeping him frail/weak/ seeking medical attention for him. If You start to think this is the case then you might need to raise your concerns.

derxa · 15/09/2019 23:02

I totally do not believe a word, “foreign type stew”

I'm tending to this view myself but diet ideas on MN are bloody bonkers.

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