to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

Retired One reason is food, we were no longer happy to just eat apples and pears and strawberries just in summer. We wanted the food all year round. We wanted pasta and different cheeses.

Chicken or egg? Who knows? But demand leads to more demand.

Economies of scale @Retired65 . If we all have the same high standards , we produce for each other

Ha ha ha you bloody morons. Are you really concerned about this?

So let’s look at two nations who don’t have trade deals with the EU. I know, one we’ll call one the USA and the other China.

Now let’s see...... any one had a problem getting an Apple iPhone or iPad or Ford car? No thought not.

Noticed US banks like Citigroup and Goldman Sachs unable to operate in the City? No again.

Now go around looking at all your other electronic devices and see how many come from China. Any issues with the Chinese selling products to a country in the EU? Nope!

So stop worrying, ignore the Guardian and Remain crap and look forward to the day that we are no longer controlled by the EU but instead operate as partners working for our respective mutual benefit.

Remember that so far as all the EU regulations are concerned we are already perfectly aligned so bugger all to do to comply with their requirements.

Remember you don’t have to be married to someone to work well together!

“So stop worrying, ignore the Guardian and Remain crap”

What about documents produced by our pro-no deal government? Do we have your permission to worry about their contents?

So let’s look at two nations who don’t have trade deals with the EU. I know, one we’ll call one the USA and the other China

And you call us morons.

So let’s look at two nations who don’t have trade deals with the EU. I know, one we’ll call one the USA and the other China

Both countries that look out for themselves and who are at the moment in a middle of a trade war.

Our economy is small compared to the US and China. But if we are part of the EU, we are part of a much bigger bloc.

Remember you don’t have to be married to someone to work well together!

True - but when things go sour, and people start to think about working with others, you have to ask what's in it for them. Power, economy, ease of trade etc are all important factors.

These people walk amongst us.

yes we're so comparable to the US and China aren't we @LanerandPhn ? Incredible that anyone could even think of posting this.

Phew it's all Guardian and Remain crap. I'm so relieved.

@LanerandPhn Citibank have moved a lot of their main functions outside of London with a lot going to Dublin. Shows how much you know!

I said to my car insurance broker, im not paying that anymore, if you dont come up with a better deal I'm going to another company. They obviously believed me, but I didn't have another family member saying to them, dont worry he'll never go through with it. Most people will have known that no deal would be on the agenda, that is how things are done.
I came away with a deal that I was willing to accept, but no way would that have happened if the company did not believe I'd do it.

I came away with a deal that I was willing to accept, but no way would that have happened if the company did not believe I'd do it

But your insurance broker has many other clients to go to who aren't as bothersome and also has got a client who has had a troubled history with yourself in the past and is at peace and doesn't want that trouble to arise again..

And the 'other company' is not really there, is it...

The yellowhammer document is a risk assessment. What we haven't seen are the risk mitigation strategies.

It reads like an exceptionally basic exec summary - so you don’t know whether it’s before or after any mitigation.

So let’s look at two nations who don’t have trade deals with the EU. I know, one we’ll call one the USA and the other China

Maybe the “morons” are the ones that don’t realise the EU has 100 or so trade agreements with the US?

Notodontidae.
Said same thing to my insurance brokers.
They said bye.
True story.

Worst case scenario means the worst way that things could turn out, but if there is a worst case scenario they must also surely be a best case scenario
what is the best case scenario in the event of a no deal?

Most people will have known that no deal would be on the agenda, that is how things are done.

Many people??

Heck even Boris himself said on 11th July 2017:

There is no plan for no deal, because we’re going to get a great deal.

Lanera
What makes you think that calling people 'bloody morons' is a good way to persuade them that your view is the best one?

Now let’s see...... any one had a problem getting an Apple iPhone or iPad or Ford car? No thought not

...and there was me thinking my Ford Focus was built in Europe and not in Michigan... silly me!

Anyone ever tried importing from China or the USA ? it takes weeks and you'll pay uk VAT and import taxes...before any goods are released... not so when buying from an EU country, which is quick & seamless.

The issue is JIT and fresh foods.

Morons indeed lol.

at is the best case scenario in the event of a no deal

I would have thought there was a probability of events happening.

What is most likely to happen?
What is about 10 - 25% chance of happening?
What is 1% chance of happening?
What is really unlikely to happen?

I wonder where this document fits in?

I presume there are too many variables for realistic probabilities to be calculated, all they can say is the worst that will happen is this scenario, and the best that would happen is that one
what will actually happen is somewhere in between ....probably somewhere roughly in the middle between the best case and worst case?

There is no need to panic. It will all be fine. Necessity is the mother of invention. It is almost as if people want things to go wrong.

Teacher22

mmmmmmm random on the 'net Vs a govt report, circulated to cabinet and reluctantly released to the public, heavily redacted...decisions decisions

Not reading it as it is a worst case scenario not a factual accounts of what will happen.

Its a base case report, which is the median of possible outcomes.

The worst case report has not been released.

Tabby007

For starters you've posted that about Lisbon treaty as if you wrote it - which as it's something that has been going viral for nearly a year I highly doubt!

Secondly - its bullshit!!

fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

"How did we manage before we joined the Common Market, as it used to be called? I find it appalling that we are not producing the goods we need here in the United Kingdom, including medicines. How did we, as a country become so reliant on the EU?"

We weren't self sufficient that's for sure! Look at how fucked we were during WWII (it was NOT the rose tinted glory days some leavers try to claim! There's a reason there were strict laws AND publicity demonising ration Dodgers and black marketeers!)

But in addition I would say things like the decimation of industry and manufacturing under thatcher.

"What we haven't seen are the risk mitigation strategies." You really think if they had decent ones that were likely to be mainly successful they wouldn't be screaming it from the rooftops?

"So let’s look at two nations who don’t have trade deals with the EU. I know, one we’ll call one the USA and the other China." Both MASSIVE countries with hugely well organised and largely successful industry and manufacturing! Plus a damn sight more land to grow plants and rear animals on!!

I seriously think we need some kind of bloody test to be passed before people can vote if they believe bollocks like the post on the Lisbon treaty or "it'll all be fiiiine we managed 40 years ago"

Mind you I wouldn't trust this shower of shite to design the test

"Would you vote Tory no matter how much we screw you over?

Yes✔️" ok you can vote

I don't think there is an acceptable deal due the Irish border issue. Unless the UK is ready to give up on Northern Ireland territory. It will never happen