to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

[chomalungma]

Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

[Graphista]

Also - I've always liked Mark ruffalo I Fucking LOVE him now!

People seen the tweet?

[CactusAndCacti]

Seems to me a good many MPs have forgotten that when the troubles were very active (for lack of a better term) THEY were a prime target!

A local Tory pro-brexit MP is only a few years younger than me, but was probably too young at the time to remember the likes of Warrington and some of the London bombings. The significance of which may therefore not cross his radar.

[Graphista]

I didn't mean forgotten just in terms of having been around/cognisant at the time but in terms of knowing and respecting the history of those times.

But I accept that part of the problem is that if they didn't live through it as those of us old enough to have done so did, they may not truly understand the risks!

My dad was army but also a catholic Scot of Irish descent (as is my mum). So I well remember not only the fear of possible attacks and having to be mindful of the security measures but ALSO the huge amount of anti catholic (not just Irish Catholics!) propaganda and feeling at that time. It was awful.

And there's very much a resurgence of that bigotry occurring now.

[HelenaDove]

Acclaimed childrens author spat at by Brexiteer..


www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/childrens-author-michael-morpurgo-spat-3320860?fbclid=IwAR3bLhpFEsnezJkQH1EQ2I38MLPooOv6xGr19X9oYl5VD9o7aGwYMggvl5E

[Retired65]

No, I was having a laugh. We need to produce a lot more at home. Just pointing out that we are not so reliant on food exports as we used to be.

[Retired65]

That should be 'imports' not exports.

[Bluntness100]

It would take us a long time to become self sufficient, but it's not just about meat and veg, it's about the ingredients that go into our products, many of those come from the eu. No one wants to go back to world war rationing.

Bottom line though I struggle to believe Boris is doing anything other than playing hard ball, because he knows full well what will happen with no deal, and he would have to deal with the aftermath, even if removed from power. And he's no desire to be removed from power or be a target.

So I really do think he doesn't intend for us to come out with no deal. He just needs to make everyone believe he would, so he can get a deal and get it approved.

[ReanimatedSGB]

Every time I see or hear someone screaming and bellowing in favour of Brexit, it becomes clearer that (apart from the crooks who stand to make a huge profit from the resultant mess) Leavers are immensely inadequate individuals. They know, deep down, that they are failures as people, yet they have to keep on abusing others and insisting that all their problems are the fault of others (Yes, low-income Leavers are the victims of others, but they are blaming the wrong people - blaming other poor people rather than the billionaires who have enforced growing inequality, quite deliberately). It's the same mindset as any other white supremacist or male supremacist - you think you belong to the 'winning' group and just need to put the 'lower orders' back in their place but, secretly, you know - or at least fear - that you'll be bottom of the heap even in a white man's paradise. Because you are a loser.

[FreshFreesias]

@ReanimatedSGB - pots and kettles come to mind.
Every time I see or hear someone screaming and bellowing in favour of Brexit....'<br /> Could easily apply to the majority of voters who would write every time I see or hear someone screaming and bellowing in favour of Remain,,,,'

And how incredibly patronising and insulting to write that Leavers are deeply inadequate individuals'. Just imagine a Leaver writing that Remainers are deeply inadequate individuals.<br /> <br /> And then screaming that low-income' Leavers are blaming the wrong people'. Well I rather think that low-income' Brexiteers are perfectly capable of holding whoever they wish accountable for their troubles. It is not for YOU to tell them how wrong they are. Walk a mile in their shoes, for heavens sake. <br /> <br /> As for these mythical billionaires who are going to do so well out of Brexit, they are doing pretty well already and most of the likes of Branson, Soros and Bill Gates want to remain. The majority of the UK's largest corporations and their billionaire leaders - want to maintain the status quo and remain in teh EU. Meanwhile the wealthiest landowners in the country receive millions of subsidies from the EU while farmers are on the breadline. <br /> <br /> Working people have every right to use their vote in the best way for them. It is not for well-off hysterical Remainiacs to infer that they didn't know what they were voting for'. Patronising, divisive tropes like this only serve to increase class divisions and the escalating divide between north and south.

And when you reply, as you no doubt will, frothing at the bit with fury, please don't waste your time. You won't change anyone's mind. Far better to discourse with Leavers in real life and find out their concerns. That is, if you care enough about them to do so.

[chomalungma]

Working people have every right to use their vote in the best way for them. It is not for well-off hysterical Remainiacs to infer that `they didn't know what they were voting for'. Patronising, divisive tropes like this only serve to increase class divisions and the escalating divide between north and sout

You are clearly upset by people saying that people didn't know what they voted for and think it's patronising and divisive.

You then go onto use words like "remainiacs" and "hysterical". Don't you think that language is also patronising and divisive and only seeks to widen the divide?

And when you reply, as you no doubt will, frothing at the bit with fury, please don't waste your time. You won't change anyone's mind

What would change your mind about a No Deal Brexit?

[Iggly]

As for these mythical billionaires who are going to do so well out of Brexit

Ah the myth of Aaron banks and Jacob rees Mogg.

[CactusAndCacti]

Far better to discourse with Leavers in real life and find out their concerns.

Why do you think we haven't? Sadly it is very difficult to get any benefits of leaving out of them. Their arguments are around 'They need us more than we need them.' 'The Lisbon Treaty' 'Leave means Leave' 'Sovereignty' and a good old bit of racism thrown in as well.

A big issue though is feeling totally disenfranchised with government, the vote to leave is them sticking two fingers up to Whitehall. The local Labour council are getting blamed for all the cuts and issues in the area and at the same time they are worshipping the ground the Tory MP walks on and all promising him their vote in a GE. They can't or won't see the connection and the EU is the big bad baddie who is destroying the UK. They honestly believe that by leaving everything will be better. They look around and see the remnants of the once thriving industry and blame the EU.

I can't get my head round it, the ones shouting leave the loudest are the ones that are most likely to be the most deeply affected. It doesn't help when the Tory MP is declaring that YH is 'worst case' It is from his party.

[ReanimatedSGB]

There is no other plausible explanation for Brexit. It's a heist by the rich. So it is not possible to be pro-Leave now unless you are either one of those expecting to be enriched by it, one of those people who 'doesn't care about politics' ie wilfully ignorant - or one of the aforementioned inadequates who wants to see other people suffer because you, yourself, are a loser.

[WaterSheep]

Far better to discourse with Leavers in real life and find out their concerns.

I've tried. The responses I get back vary, but usually include one of the following

• We won
  
• We don't need the EU
  
• We could get jobs before the country was flooded with immigrants
  
• We can take back our country
  
• We can make Britain great again
  

If I were someone who had voted to leave, I would be sick and tired of being lumped into this We.

[Songsofexperience]

Patronising, divisive tropes like this only serve to increase class divisions and the escalating divide between north and south.

Dragging us all down won't help.

[Graphista]

FreshFreesias why are you assuming that Remainers are well off?! I'm certainly bloody not! I'm disabled and on benefits and shit scared of what's happening BECAUSE I'm not well off! You can't even assume the posters you're addressing are well off!

What we DO know is that the likes of Johnson & JRM are EXTREMELY well off and won't suffer any of the day to day negative consequences of brexit even a no deal brexit, indeed we have good reason to believe they stand to PROFIT from it!

"You won't change anyone's mind." Do you even understand how that makes you sound? So even if we provided you with sound research that shows that you personally are likely to suffer as a result of brexit you wouldn't change your mind? Why?!! That makes NO SENSE whatsoever!

As for discuss with leavers their concerns - many of us HAVE - on here and in real life. Personally I've yet to hear a reason for voting leave that has true basis in fact and isn't easily disputed even disproven.

I have seen posts on here AND on other social media where leavers have been specifically asked "what benefits will there be to brexit?" And...tumbleweed - if you ignore the empty blustering and name calling!

"I can't get my head round it, the ones shouting leave the loudest are the ones that are most likely to be the most deeply affected" I agree. Same is true for me with the few people I know who are Tory voters - they are disabled and ALSO bemoaning the cuts to benefits and Nhs yet seemingly incapable of making the connection between having a Tory govt and these cuts! Seem to completely ignore/be oblivious to the fact that as far as Cameron/may/Johnson/ids/mcvey etc are considered they ARE the "benefits scroungers" they're so keen to have "dealt with". They're not on UC yet I really think it's going to come as a shock to them when they are.

[ContinuityError]

Well I rather think that `low-income' Brexiteers are perfectly capable of holding whoever they wish accountable for their troubles.

Of course, it’s entirely reasonable to blame the EU for the UK Tory government austerity measures and the longer term lack of Government investment over the last few decades.

The EU is a handy scapegoat. I’m looking forward to Johnson taking the UK out on 31/10 and then having to take responsibility for everything that ensues because he can no longer blame the EU.

Meanwhile the wealthiest landowners in the country receive millions of subsidies from the EU while farmers are on the breadline.

Hmmm - millionaire Brexiteer James Dyson received £1.6 million in CAP payments in 2017, didn’t he? And of course not forgetting that investing in UK agricultural land is a great way of avoiding inheritance tax. It’s a win win for Dyson.

[HelenaDove]

Oh my days......................the Get ready For Brexit TV advert

Chilling!

[Songsofexperience]

Who can ever favour a destructive ideology over the good of the country??
Fanatics? Psychopaths?
Honestly I'm terrified of how quiet moderate leavers have become! Please, can one come on to reassure me they're not ALL ok with no deal?

[WaterSheep]

A very well written post Graphista. Particularly this part.

So even if we provided you with sound research that shows that you personally are likely to suffer as a result of brexit you wouldn't change your mind? Why?!! That makes NO SENSE whatsoever!

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

I've not seen the advert. I guess that's a treat still to come.

The last Leaver I had a chat to was worried about British steel and secret deals between France and Germany. Also Maastricht.

[Songsofexperience]

We need to produce a lot more at home

I'm not a farmer so not sure but assuming we do, won't it have to be through intensive industrial farming methods? They're not environmentally friendly at all. Importing from our neighbours what's missing might be better from that perspective.

[yolofish]

Saw the advert for the first time last night. It's fucking laughable... or it would be if it wasnt so serious.

[Ohflippineck]

“Well I rather think that `low-income' Brexiteers are perfectly capable of holding whoever they wish accountable for their troubles.”

Even if they’re completely wrong?

[Confusedbeetle]

Yellowhammer is the absolute worse case scenario in order that we prevent some of these things happening. Of course we need to be ready to mitigate Potential, not actual effects