To have lost all respect for Leave voters?

[KennDodd]

It's their fault we're in this mess and I can only see it getting worse.

@ScreamingLadySutch

What are those lies, by the way?

Lies by the leave campaign are easy to find. I recommend using google. Here are some sites that will point you in the right direction.

www.richardcorbett.org.uk/long-list-leave-lies/
www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies

www.indy100.com/article/8-of-the-most-misleading-promises-of-the-vote-leave-campaign-ranked-in-order-of-preposterousness--WyxD59VO3Nb www.independent.co.uk/infact/brexit-second-referendum-false-claims-eu-referendum-campaign-lies-fake-news-a8113381.html

I hope this enlightens you.

While you're here, would you mind telling me the benefits of Brexit?

Songsofasixpence

No Revoking article 50 would cause a a civil war.

Think about it, the referendum was the biggest vote we had in the history of polio.nkt was a democratic vote. If the parliament went against it, there would be civil unrest. If it had gone the way of remaining but parliament decided to leave anyway and completely invite the result, you'd be fuming and quite rightly so which mean leavers have every right to be angry that it's being delayed time and time again and that revoking article 50 keeps getting mentioned.

clever that’s why we should sign up to the agreement that has already been negotiated by the uk government. Then we can leave tomorrow, never mind 31 October.

Mumsnet is like sodding Groundhog Day sometimes.

I've lost respect for people bothered about this shit tbh.
I couldn't care how anybody voted, and don't want to know either.
The Politicians are the ones to blame, and only they.

Latte, they may or may not be able to fully empathise with poor people, I couldn't say.

I do see champagne socialists trotting out nonsense over real issues in schools time and time again, belittling posters who say how hard life was for them, if that doesn't fit into thier narrow view.

I have some Cs in my family.

So generally whether someone will act in interest of those less well off comes from who they are not what school they went too or how wealthy their background is.

Of course corbyn grew up in utter luxury in large manner house and because he is so narrow and entrenched.. I certainly don't believe for one second he cares about the less well off. Or rather he does about 'some' of them, the ones that fit with that typical..
Look at me I'm a Saint labour type of person.

Revoking article 50 would cause a a civil war.

No, it wouldn’t. Or at the very least, no more than the country ending up down the shitter when the economy tanks, large scale job losses occur, and people can’t get food or medicines. Look at all the frothing on the likes of the DM comments page from leavers outraged and talking about people taking to the streets etc. It’s all talk, they’ll do fuck all.

I agree @Figmentofmyimagination. So the WA isn’t perfect but that’s because no perfect deal actually exists.

Latte... Maybe because mostly they are reasonable trusting people who believed their vote would be upheld?

But as Hong Kong and France has shown us maybe being reasonable isn't the way forward?

The French wouldn't let their leaders do this! My goodness how many months of riots!

The blame lies with David Cameron in my opinion, he gave us the vote, and was so convinced that remain was gonna win, and had no plan b for a leave vote winning!

I'm bored of the whole shit show now

Figment I agree, the only palatable option is the WA

I blame labour for us not leaving. The WA is very close to what they want but they would not vote for it. We have to leave in some form, otherwise farage will be back in force and we will have racist MPs in HoC.

I don’t want to leave but I don’t think the British public would vote for remain if there was another
Referendum - people who can’t be bothered any more to listen to the arguments are thinking “just get it over with” - as if a no deal would be the end of it. They don’t realise that no deal is just the start of years of chaos and division!

And even if a referendum does not allow no deal to be on the ballot, farage will be back winding up the racists for another go.

I do think we should have left and thrashed out details after. The country would have accepted we left, psychologically moved on and we could have had separate dept to thrash out anomalies, whilst government got on with UK issues.

snowy I blame the ERG and the DUP.

It did occur to me, watching Johnson kick out all those Conservative MPs, that he doesn’t need the DUP anymore, as he obviously doesn’t care about being a minority administration. We paid them £10 million for nothing.

Anyone remember that this happened in 1979?

A referendum in 1979 on a devolved Scottish assembly garnered 51.6% of votes in favour, but the vote was defeated on a technicality: the the low turnout meant those voting in favour constituted only 32.9% of the electorate, below the 40% needed. Many Yes supporters felt cheated.

The 2016 vote had no thought put into it all, a supermajority should have been required for significant changes. The cheating and lying rendered the result unsafe and the whole thing should have been summarily ignored.

Somehow it became the will of the people.

It isn't.

Yep ERG those that want to no deal to make money

Also those people who want a no deal as well because they somehow think it all going to be better

Chocolate relying on the the campaign to devalue the largest turn out vote is so weak and tired.

Peoples whose mind wasn't made up, some of them swung with campaign and we have no way of knowing who swung with project fear!!

I didn't give shit about campaign most grown ups realise campaigns are over blown with hyperbole and promises.. All of them. I don't know a single leaver who voted leave on the back of the campaign.

However I'm sure some where swayed by it. But how many were terrified by project fear?

Yes figment agree with the ERG. But they are so right wing, selfish and unreasonable anyway I sort of discount them as being a complete waste of time and effort anyway. But yes they did hold TM to ransom.

The DUP I’m not keen on but I can see that they didn’t want NI to be treated differently to the rest of the UK, they were true to their values.

The ERG have no velhes except linking their own pockets.

But there were plenty of moderates in labour who should have voted for WA.

And I say that as a traditional Labour voter.

And a remainder!

Sorry for all spelling errors btw!

I really do not feel that I was influenced by 'project fear'. I looked at the two arguments and decided to vote remain. My mum did the same, but felt she couldn't ignore 350 million to the NHS after how well the NHS staff looked after my nan during her long battle with COPD. There has been fear mongering on both sides post the vote. Im sick of being called a 'remoaner' on here too. It is as bad as the 'leavers are racist' rubbish. This current situation is a car crash.

My mum did the same, but felt she couldn't ignore 350 million to the NHS

Shame that was a lie

snowy yes - all that business about not ‘the’ custom union but ‘a’ customs union. I never quite understood what the difference was tbh. Feels so long ago now!

The 2016 vote had no thought put into it all, a supermajority should have been required for significant changes

I agree. I was thinking this the other day. They should have said that they would only go ahead with Brexit, if there was a 75% leave vote so that there was a clear majority

Funny, there hasn't been a French Socialist MEP called Dominique since at least 2004. Male or female.

Randomchap - I completely agree, as does my mum. She tells me she wouldn't vote leave again, she'd abstain because she just doesn't understand it enough and can't trust the people who supposedly do to be truthful. My mum is as far from racist as you can get, but was duped.

I actually blame the remain campaign. It was completely lacklustre and basically riding on the assumption that they didn’t need to make any real attempt to fully explain the potential shit storm a leave vote would actually result in.

It also failed to stand up Farage and Johnson, both of whom are big personalities with a lot of charisma who both reach out to a lot of people. Who did remain have?

I am a remainer and still am and whilst I wanted reform in Europe as it had become bloated and I wanted to change from within.

Also as someone who went through indref I wanted to know what exactly a vote to leave would actually entail rather than the various airey fairy nonsense especially as even at this stage we still don’t know what it means.