To have lost all respect for Leave voters?

[KennDodd]

It's their fault we're in this mess and I can only see it getting worse.

ScreamingLadySutch - how do you know we are not?

It’s like experimental science. Who the hell knows?

Why aren't you angry at the people who didn't bother to vote? Genuine question.

Well, I can give you some facts about the structural defects of EU that WILL end in its collapse, and why we are better off out. And none of them are emotional. They are just facts.

But none of you seem able to provide similar facts to back up all that emotional hyperbole.
.

@user0001

The main reason I voted Remain was because Brexit (well, hard Brexit) is incompatible with the GFA and therefore risks the peace in NI. People have complained that we shouldn't have joined a club so hard to leave. It's not hard to leave the EU, it's easy, what's hard is leaving the EU, without also losing all the economic, political and social benefits being in the EU gives us.

@ReanimatedSGB what I really want, and have been asking for since the vote, is for someone to give me a "leave" version of that. Actual facts that show that leaving is the best option for our country. I have yet to get it 😡

"The problem is simply this: the public voted to leave the EU but a majority of MPs don't really want to. Maybe this is an argument against referendums, but that's by-the-by. If you ask the people if they want to do something and they say yes, you can't just pretend you didn't hear or else radically redefine what you think they were asking for. "

• Tim Stanley

OP I'm a huge Brexiteer and fan of Boris, Trump and Farage and resemnt you blaming us. We voted OUT. May tried to get us a deal and got a reasonable one so it's MPs' fault that it wasn't passed and we're where we are now.

@ScreamingLadySutch please go ahead. I am listening.

Non-binding in the sense that there was no legal obligation to implement the result as it was a purely advisory referendum.

Blame the people who didn’t bother to vote not those who did. At least those who voted cared enough to get off their backsides either way.

@Yappy12 so why did the arch brexiters like JRM reject the bill? They are also desperate to leave.

The first duty of an MP is to do what he [or she] thinks … is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate.”

Been quoted a few times this week - Winston Churchill.

Just a pity MPs didn’t take heed before voting to trigger article 50

I haven’t lost respect for people who voted leave in 2016, but I have completely lost respect for anyone who still thinks Brexit is a good idea now in September 2019.

Read Adults in the Room, by Yanis Varoufakis

Yanis Varoufakis said on Question Time months ago that we should revoke A50.

I never had respect for them in the first place. I blame Hameron and Farridge for Brexit more than leave voters though.

And bearing in mind it would have been thrown out in a legal challenge if it had been binding. So they would have had to set aside the referendum and re-run it or just stay in the EU.

@Yappy12 so why did the arch brexiters like JRM reject the bill? They are also desperate to leave.

Yes I know. I blame Mogg and Co and the DUP. Oh and Boris voted against it too.

OK, we can disregard the smugly stupid who are essentially non-malevolent but just comfortable enough to think that bad things only happen to other people (who somehow deserve it, for being poor, or foreign or 'not like us', of course.) Those are the ones who vote in regular elections for whoever their parents or friends are likely to vote for; who still believe that the authorities are generally well-intentioned and that the police, for instance, are there to protect them rather than to control them.
These people are not very clever, but they're not really dangerous either, and will usually settle down when they are not being revved up by predators and con-artists.

But the other kinds of Brexiteer - the scammers, the sociopathic or greedy 'edgelords' and 'Bad Boys', the rightwing populists, the racist thugs, the liars and bullshitters... what to do with them if we are ever going to sort out the country? That's a problem. Prison is probably the place for the likes of Johnson, Farage, Bannon, Cummings and the Cambridge Analytica mob, really. For corruption and fraud, at least to begin with.

I have zero respect for the no-deal frothers.
I have some respect for those that can see they were lied to and that its a shitshow

It was an easy decision. I looked at the chancers supporting Leave and asked myself if there were any other circumstances in which I would trust any of them. Johnson. Gove. Farage. You must be joking. Charlatans all.

I think the blame solely lies with Cameron doesn't it?

ScreamingLadySutch - I have posted the facts on why we are better off staying and why the rightwing arseholes lied and are now trying to force a hard no-deal - to protect their own wealth and to continue exploiting everyone else.
Now bring on your clear, logical, no-bullshit case for leaving the EU.

I'll wait.

I voted to remain because I don’t see the ECJ and EU institutions as any more undemocratic than our own government and decades of unfettered Tory rule repealing laws that emanated in the EU shitting on things like workers rights, consumer protection, environmental protection etc - no thanks.

I don’t think it’s a perfect institution at all and I had concerns about ever closer integration possibly moving towards federalism but ultimately I felt staying in was best.

In addition, I support free movement and the single market and suspected even a “good” Brexit would be a vote to make us poorer.

I also suspected the government would make an arse of it and that the NI/border situ could prove insurmountable

fucking up their own careers and future livelihoods

No they'll have a nice cushy career in the EU to look forward to.

The country voted to leave.

I am so sick of people saying that!

51.9% of those who voted in the referendum voted to leave. That is not “the country”.