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Original poster

To have lost all respect for Leave voters?

219 replies

KennDodd · 04/09/2019 16:34

It's their fault we're in this mess and I can only see it getting worse.

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Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 04/09/2019 17:10

It doesn't seem to worry many posters on here that parliament has gone against a vote.
It would worry me tremendously.

If the vote had been to remains but parliament went rouge and decided it was better to be out I'd be deeply concerned even if its what I wanted.

Because I have an ability to see a bigger picture. I know many Remainers have fingers in eu pie but something more than brexit is at risk here

^^

I agree wholeheartedly.
So much so I would change the way I voted originally if it came to that.

ilovesooty · 04/09/2019 17:10

I've no respect for leave voters who think Boris Johnson is wonderful, insist they voted for no deal and would vote to leave without a deal now.

justintimberlakesfishwife · 04/09/2019 17:11

@MellowBird85 after reading this what do you think EU should have done differently?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/eu-deal-what-david-cameron-asked-for-and-what-he-actually-got/

BeanBag7 · 04/09/2019 17:11

If the remainers had won, do you think the leavers would of acted like the remainers have done complaining that the vote didn't go there way.
If the consequences were food and medication shortages, destruction of the NHS and Economic disaster then they probably would be complaining, yeah

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KennDodd · 04/09/2019 17:11

user0001

May negotiated an exit, Hammond voted for it.

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VladmirsPoutine · 04/09/2019 17:12

Did anyone else watch PMQs this morning? Boris Johnson is an utter shambles!

I don't blame Leavers - I blame the disaster capitalists who've hedged their bets on this: JRM being one of them. His leaning in the House of Commons was an utter disgrace.

This government is contemptible.

Fatasfooook · 04/09/2019 17:12

It’s all panning out nicely for farage- he will be prime minister soon. The uk has turned into a major shithole

Scentsandsensible · 04/09/2019 17:12

I voted to remain (and begged others to do so). However the leave voters were sold a lie, and had their own reasons for voting as they did.

I really don’t like this superior attitude that remain voters have to leavers along the lines of “well you got us into this”. People didn’t know that it would be such a shit show. should they have - not really, no one really described the impact etc clearly in laymen’s terms.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 04/09/2019 17:13

I blame David Cameron. The climate of austerity, the misleading propaganda and the seemingly constant media fêting of Farage, Hopkins et al meant that a LEAVE vote was, sadly, always going to be a very serious possibility.

One could even think that he planned this all along...

Frangipane · 04/09/2019 17:14

YABU to imply you ever had respect for Leave voters. Or if you did, you were in a minority.

user0001 · 04/09/2019 17:14

May negotiated an exit, Hammond voted for it.
It wasn't an exit. The agreement was that we were only able to leave when the EU decided we could go.

Dogsarebetterthancatsok · 04/09/2019 17:14

I’ve lost respect for remainers who want to go against a democratic vote. It’s a disgrace.

WeshMaGueule · 04/09/2019 17:15

It doesn't seem to worry many posters on here that parliament has gone against a vote.

Given that the vote was a) non-binding and b) corrupt as fuck, no, it doesn't bother me a whole lot.

Breathlessness · 04/09/2019 17:18

‘People didn’t know that it would be such a shit show.’

No, people didn’t want to hear that it would be a shit show. They didn’t want to hear what the impact of leaving would be, particularly with no deal. They still don’t want to hear it.

noblegiraffe · 04/09/2019 17:18

did not believe that Leave could possibly win, so they didn't bother to draft any plan in case it did.

That’s not why there wasn’t a plan for Leave. Dominic Cummings (Director of Vote Leave, now Johnson’s puppet-master) deliberately didn’t come up with a plan for leaving because (and he blogged about this at the time), if Leave plans were actually written down, the Leave campaign would lose the referendum. They knew they could only win by appealing to something ephemeral.

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KennDodd · 04/09/2019 17:18

Leave voters, I will blame you for any economic damage, food/medicine shortages and damage to the peace in NI. If people start dying, I will blame you for that as well. You were told before the vote that could all happen, you can't pretend you weren't.

If it all goes wonderfully, we get all the benefits promised, I'll start threads apologising for doubting you and buy Leavers (irl) drinks in the pub.

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ReanimatedSGB · 04/09/2019 17:20

Look, everyone still whining on about the 'will of the people' and trying to defend their having voted Leavereally needs to read this. You were taken for utter mugs, every one of you. And it's time to get the fuck over it.

phoenixrosehere · 04/09/2019 17:20

I think DC and the campaigners, especially Leave ( how do you not have a plan if you wanted to win), are more to blame however people voting on issues they can’t be arsed to understand or even try to research beforehand are there as well as those who voted leave as a protest vote against the U.K. government are there (how that is even logical, the mind boggles). The whole freedom of movement issue is even more laughable when you think about what countries the U.K. will seek trade deals with and them likely wanting their own citizens to be able to move freely as part of that deal. Might be a lot more Americans and Chinese about if that is who BJ is looking to trade with. How else is the U.K. going to manage the shortages in different sectors (especially the NHS) once citizens of the EU return back to Europe. I wouldn’t blame them at this point and most of husband’s office said f this s**t and moved back luckily working for the same company. The U.K. didn’t have enough British citizens before hence the need to bring people in and definitely won’t have enough and are bringing in more foreigners.

We haven’t even left and people have already been effected. The pound has tanked, international businesses are taking their businesses else where and moving them to (gasp) Europe which I can’t say I blame them for making a smart business decision, but I feel sorry for those who couldn’t and didn’t vote for this who have lost their jobs. I doubt they feel they got their country back nor expected this.

midsomermurderess · 04/09/2019 17:21

The causes of Brexit, the EU. No wonder we are in this mess with such gullibility, and downright stupidity, amongst voters.

noblegiraffe · 04/09/2019 17:23

The referendum was such a legal shit show that if it had been legally binding it would have been annulled and politicians could ignore it.

It wasn’t legally binding hence can’t be annulled and yet there is this weird insistence that it be respected.

RosaWaiting · 04/09/2019 17:24

I have two family members who voted leave, they didn’t think they were voting for this.

I told them government could only spectacularly fuck up and they said “you can’t base your vote on that”.

I don’t blame Leavers. If a second ref gave these options and got the same result, I might.

Didn’t the pound cheer up after Boris got defeated? 😁

Melroses · 04/09/2019 17:24

I blame David Cameron too. Badly drafted.

It is interesting that the referendum to leave the EU only required a simple majority, but calling a general election requires a 2/3 majority. The government seems to have tied themselves in a knot.

Butchyrestingface · 04/09/2019 17:26

@KennDodd I voted YABU, since you were totally unreasonable to have had any respect for them in the first place. 😂

Lesson learned.

NearlyGranny · 04/09/2019 17:26

Farage is on record saying - before the referendum - that if the vote was close and Remain won, there would be unfinished business and the fight would go on.

So yes, I do think it's clear that we would have exactly the same rancorous divisions if the vote had tipped the other way.

As for who is to blame, I blame both campaigns for resorting to over-simplified sound bites, manufacturing fear and failing to grasp and address the full complexities of the situation and treat the electorate respectfully.

I especially blame the Leave campaign for the company it kept, the lies it told and the laws it broke.

I also blame Leave for not thinking through and sharing in detail how they thought leaving would work. Remain didn't have to consider this complication!

I don't blame either of the main political parties because neither had a unanimous view, but that is the main reason we have had the paralysis we have seen for the last three years and more.

David Cameron was over a barrel so I don't award him the lion's share of the blame.

And I don't blame voters, of whom I am one, because we were poorly informed, though I do blame those whose vote was influenced by racism or greed (like those whose offshore tax havens were coming under EU regulation in 2020).

It's a huge mess and it's going to get worse before it gets better. The repercussions are likely to rumble on for a decade or more.

Above all, I blame the tabloid press and its unelected barons who peddled inflammatory nonsense about bananas, bulbs and Brussels until it started to become received 'truth'.

Breathlessness · 04/09/2019 17:27

‘It doesn't seem to worry many posters on here that parliament has gone against a vote’

We had a public vote on whether we should leave the EU. People voted to leave. Parliament’s job is to decide how we do that. That’s what’s happening.

The Conservatives had a pro leave cabinet including a Minister for Brexit under Theresa May. They couldn’t come up with a plan. Now we have Boris. He can’t get any agreement on a plan. The only plan is to wait for the deadline to expire. The majority of MPs who want to leave the EU can’t come up with a way to do it without tanking our economy.