To have lost all respect for Leave voters?

[KennDodd]

It's their fault we're in this mess and I can only see it getting worse.

Leave voters, I will blame you for any economic damage, food/medicine shortages and damage to the peace in NI. If people start dying, I will blame you for that as well. You were told before the vote that could all happen, you can't pretend you weren't.
So you are saying that you voted Remain because you think that the EU has us by the short & curlies.

What about the MPs? They are the ones fuelling this fire. Anyone with half a brain knows that a No Deal would be terrible but we need to have something to negotiate with. If we said we were leaving and didn’t give 2 shits I am sure a deal would miraculously appear....

its Not our fault. We voted fairly. It’s the selfish politicians who won’t vote. So they whole shit storm is in limbo. want to blame someone blame those people.

@justintimberlakesfishwife

I don’t profess to be an expert in politics or presume to know exactly what the EU’s policies should be. But in the link you posted (the content of which I was already aware) all I can really conclude is that the EU were creating ambiguous clauses. For example, in relation to the 4 year wait for benefits, they state that the UK (or any member country) would need to show that it was creating “excessive pressure”. Who decides how excessive that pressure should be? There’s no definition and it’s so obvious they were trying to hold on to power with all their might.

YANBU for having your political opinions but YABVU to “lose all respect” for those who differ (or for anyone, really).

I blame Cameron for giving us the vote in the first place. The average person had no idea what they were voting for. I know lots of people who voted leave for the extra 350 million for our NHS- they were lied to. I voted remain but I don't blame leave voters for this mess though - nobody wanted this.

I voted remain.

However, I know people that voted leave and I don’t judge them for it. People were given the vote and should rightfully use it as they choose.

It angers me that some remainers are determined to brand all leavers as thick racists. Whilst I don’t agree with many of the opinions of leave voters, I am not so arrogant or superior to believe that my views are right and there’s are wrong.

The fact remains that nobody actually knows what leaving means for this country, although many people appear to think they do. It worries me (quite a lot) but it may turn out okay for all I know. If we knew what it meant there would be no arguing about it!

IMO we should never have been given the vote in the first place and it certainly shouldn’t have been a strait forward in or out vote.

Contradictory as I still hope Brexit doesn’t happen, I do think that our Parliament had a duty to deliver what was voted for.

I’ve lost respect for about 90% of remoaners who call leavers thick and racist.

@Autumnintheair "Don't understand why they don't want election"

• you haven't seen the polls, then?

"Parliament is actually the one holding a coup. MPs have voted to take control of the order paper in order to take control of the Brexit negotiating process: they want to rule out a no-deal Brexit, thus completely undermining the Government's strategy. It's highly irregular for the Commons to dictate foreign policy like this, let alone on such suicidal terms...

"Fine," says the Government, "if you don't like our policy, let's have an election." "Um, no," says Parliament. Why? Because the Government's policy is quite popular and its opponents might lose. Parliament says it is extending oversight and renewing democracy. It's not. It's blocking an election. "

Tim Stanley

I don't blame Leave voters. I have one in the office who voted Leave because 'she fancied a change'. And she still does. It's impossible to blame someone like that - politics is an alien world for people like her.

I blame DC and most of all I blame the ERG - if not for them, the WA would have been voted through and we'd now be working through the transition period, with people focusing on getting arrangements for the future in place and no more looking backwards towards Revoke.

PS I'm an EU national in the UK so I had no vote, and I may well leave if Project Reality starts to bite, but the people to blame for this are the politicians.

‘Fancy a change’? Buy a new hat. Pick a cheese sandwich for lunch instead of the usual ham. Go to Greece for your holiday instead of Wales... don’t throw us into the midden because you ‘fancy a change’ 🙄

Cameron wasn’t over a barrel. There has been a loud Euro sceptic wing in the Tory party for decades. He was just the only one stupid enough to think he could silence/appease them with a vote.

Oh behave being goady @KennDodd
Its the Remainers fault we are in this mess for going against the democratic vote David Cameron instructed. Bloody sick of goady posts like this.

@timshelthechoice "You'd have to be spectacularly thick and ignorant to fall for the lies spread by the leave campaign."

What are those lies, by the way?

Did Project Fear tell any lies - sorry, remainers are morally perfect - mistaken predictions?

I don't blame Remain voters. They were sold a lie and had their heartstrings pulled by claims like more money for the NHS. They voted for a vague question which could mean anything from No Deal to Norway model. They were conned by the assurances by senior Leavers that the process would be simple and we'd have an awesome Deal.

People who must shoulder the blame- Cameron for arrogantly holding the Referendum and leading a crap Remain campaign, ERG members for not voting for the May Deal so we can prepare, May for allying with the DUP, May for unilaterally interpreting the Referendum result as Leave with a Deal, the DUP for not agreeing to a border in the Irish Sea so there's no border between NI sand Ireland, May for coming up with Red Lines without consulting other parties and regions....

YABU to blame the Leave voters, yes. They are perfectly entitled to vote as their conscience dictates.

Instead of running round like a headless chicken over all the Europhile scare stories, none of which have ever come true in the past thirty years, why don't you read up about how corrupt, undemocratic, wasteful and out of touch the EU really is.

Read Adults in the Room, by Yanis Varoufakis, and then come back and tell me that that is an organisation you want to be governed by.

Also, we’re meant to have a fixed term Parliaments act. If there’s another election that will be 2 since the referendum. So we can keep voting for governments, but a 2016 advisory referendum vote MUST be adhered to and binds us all for all time coming?! Makes sense.

I also think we should look at having a written constitution. Successive governments hve just been making things up as they go along with zero accountability

@LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD "don’t throw us into the midden"

How do you know we are being thrown into the midden?

It’s nothing to do with leave voters and all to do with Remainer MPs who don’t believe in democracy, believe they know best. They had a chance to vote for a deal and didn’t, they had three years to work together and didn’t and made it clear they wouldn’t be working with the Government but against them in the hope that they would win

I know remainders say this wouldn’t be happening if they won, possibly not, but there would still be a bigger issue as leaving the EU would not be going away, Farage would still be in place, and other issues would be happening

The EU does have a part to play in this as well, they had a chance when David Cameron asked for something to give to the country and was told to go away, if the leaders of the EU were not so arrogant, could provide cost savings ( and not moving every however often between two buildings would be a start) were more open and consistent with their accounts, stop the gravy train and help those that actually need it, stop arguing amongst themselves and worked together then maybe we months not be here

Its the Remainers fault we are in this mess for going against the democratic vote David Cameron instructed

Nice try.

Might not months

It’s nothing to do with leave voters and all to do with Remainer MPs who don’t believe in democracy, believe they know best

We have a Parliamentary democracy. These MPs are doing their jobs.

I do blame them for being incredibly naive and thinking 'Oh there's a poster on a bus that says the NHS will get 350 million. It must be true'! how do these people function in jobs?

Given that the vote was a) non-binding

Can someone explain this? In what way do you think it was non-binding? Because lies were told? Well, that would make every general election non-binding! If the Scots vote for independence, will that be non-binding too? Was the 1975 referendum non-binding?