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To think this is the end of the Tories

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SirJamesTalbotAndHisSpeculum · 03/09/2019 23:06

…..as we know them.

None of them can agree with one another. It seems that there will be utter chaos when the Election is called as their Manifesto will be impossible to write.

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Bahlindah · 08/09/2019 00:02

Certainly seems like conservatism is dead in the UK now. Consumed by the fallout of the referendum they thought they needed in order to keep the party together.

Didn't think I'd be sad to see them go, but the fanaticism that's replacing them is the most dangerous thing the UK had faced in peacetime.

I hope some of those principled conservatives that were purged (or are still there but appalled) find some way of fighting this, but I think it's too late.

Tonnerre · 08/09/2019 00:15

I'm glad to see a senior Conservative with the honour to resign. A number of them, Rudd included, said that prorogation would be unacceptable, and Johnson put them into an impossible position. Who next?

TheMustressMhor · 08/09/2019 01:24

Who next indeed.

greentheme23 · 08/09/2019 01:37

The poles still predict a win though so who is doing the voting despite the carnage?

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RosesAndRaindrops · 08/09/2019 01:47

Really? I'm seeing a lot of support for them where I'm standing.
I'm from Northern mining area, and I've seen a heck of a lot of posts saying they've never voted Tory, goes against everything they believe in, but they want Leave and Brexit and they think Boris at least is trying to get it through.
So no, I don't think they're finished.

Bahlindah · 08/09/2019 02:32

I don't think anyone is questioning that the party that continue to be named 'Conservative' is doing okay in terms of support at the moment.

People are questioning whether they remain the Conservative Party in anything other than name.

And unfortunately I think the type of nationalism that has seemingly replaced conservatism is the less desirable of the two philosophies.

Bahlindah · 08/09/2019 02:34

Basically it's what happened with the Republicans and Trump. Conservatives pandered to nationalists to win votes, then found themselves replaced by them.

Bahlindah · 08/09/2019 02:46

I mean, how absolutely crazy is it the some of the biggest global banks operating in London are now saying that Jeremy Fucking Corbyn is preferable to the Conservative Party?

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TheMustressMhor · 09/09/2019 17:42

Bloody hell.

So now Bercow's resigned.

Whatever next?

Dapplegrey · 09/09/2019 17:48

Matthew Parris, former Conservative MP, says in The Times today that the party he’s supported all his life no longer exists.

Did it say which party will he switch allegiance to?

Alsohuman · 09/09/2019 18:03

Libdems I believe.

Figmentofmyimagination · 09/09/2019 18:08

They have forfeited the right to be called ‘conservative’. I don’t know what they are turning into though. Disaster capitalists?

Very sad to see Bercow go but at least I think what he was saying in his farewell speech is that the next speaker must be elected by this House, which is something.

Figmentofmyimagination · 09/09/2019 18:10

They’ve also forfeited the right to be called ‘Unionist’ obviously!

minesagin37 · 09/09/2019 19:42

Here's hoping! I've prayed for that moment for 25 years. Ever since Thatcher and my time stood outside the hospital protesting. Not on strike of course because nurses don't strike do they- she had us over a barrel back then too!

ReanimatedSGB · 09/09/2019 20:28

My DS said to me last week: do you think this is what it might have felt like to be in Germany in 1938? I am genuinely worried that the collapse of the Tories might lead to that mad fucker Farage seizing power and that there might actually be enough vicious, stupid, 'I'll be all right' dickheads to support him. (Yup, and that's everyone who wants us out of the EU. Vicious stupid selfish dickheads. You are either wilfully ignoring the facts and the implications or, like Reese-Mogg and the Brexit backers, you are seeking a big pot of money you think can be made out of other people's misery and pain.)

Bagshot · 09/09/2019 21:28

The only satisfaction one can get from this shower of shite, is saying "I told you so" to leavers.
What irks me even more than the ignorant buffoons who voted to "stop immigration and send everyone back", is those who claim they placed a protest vote. Why the fk would you take such a risk with the future of your country?
Why the hell would anyone vote for anything Farage and Bori endorsed? Why?!

TheMustressMhor · 28/09/2019 16:11

Now that BoJo has thoroughly disgraced himself over the prorogation of parliament and calling other MPs' concerns "humbug" I am surprised that the Tories have anyone voting for them now.

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