To think this is the end of the Tories

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…..as we know them.

None of them can agree with one another. It seems that there will be utter chaos when the Election is called as their Manifesto will be impossible to write.

Spartacus - well I think it’s pretty accurate for Conservative voters I know, nearly all of whom are remainers. Even though we are the very people to benefit from the type of taxation BJ will implement, I’m yet to come across a single person who can abide him - and I’m talking bankers and entrepreneurs in the main. There is no trust or respect whatsoever. There comes a point where you have to put principle before your own economic benefit. The vision of Britain the current govt promote is reductive and an embarrassment and people can not vote for that.

We are well aware we are not voting for a president I Suspect some are confusing it with having "an elected prime minister" - which Corbyn has been shouting about - despite having wanted to be oe himself not so long ago!

It is hardly unexpected that some people use the same terminology and so get an incorrect idea about what happened for BJ to hold posotion.

Peopple talk about bias and spin and seem to forget that everyone does it... and yes Corbyn is as gulty as anyone else. No more, no less! He uses lies, half lies and obfuscation to his own ends too!

Woeful just about covers it, I think!

Where I live (ex mining area), nobody will vote Tory, ever. They will, however, vote Brexit party so I expect that will be my next MP!

JC as leader has changed what many labour voters believe the party represents as he is so hard left

And he got rid of many previous ministers and shadow ministers who didn't share his views, and brought in his own to the senior shadow cabinet positions. So, whilst he's not a "president", he has surrounded himself with like minded people and sidelined the more moderate ones.

My remain and erstwhile Tory husband is now politically homeless and has announced his intention of spoiling his paper if Johnson is still at the helm of the Tories in the next GE. As an Ulsterman, he couldn’t entertain backing no deal.

The Tories have had fall outs before never so public

Thatcher wasn’t considered a true blue by some Tories and had a number of enemies within her own party but she was popular with some labour voters - which Boris shall be given that many voted leave

The Tory party didn’t create the Falklands situation, it took advantage of it.
Actually they did create it

Made Argentina invade? OK.

I completely agree aqua00 A lot if people in our circles are thinking about voting LD.
However, as a PP said, I wonder how many will actually do it and how many will continue to vote Conservative because they don’t believe LD will get the numbers.
So hard!

Actually they did create it No! Neither the UK nor Argentina were in a good political or financial place in 82. Both were posturing, blustering politically, as were many other countries, remember it was a time of great social upheaval - led to the Berlin wall coming down, amongst other things.

Galtieri needed something to rally people behind him, Maggie had the same need. The Falklands wer the 'playground' they had their Tweedle Dee / Dum battle upon. Much as I detest Maggie, it would be grossly unfair to say she instigated the Falkland war.

Pink Floyd had that right

Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back

How many live in constituencies where the vote - for either party - could be weighed rather than counted?

I do.

Of rather more interest to me is the number of constituencies that are known marginals and how the constituencies of the 21 newly Independent MPs and the Change UK lot (or whatever they are calling themselves this week) will vote.

Philip Lee crossed the floor to the Lib Dems. Their vote share in Bracknell last time was just 7.5%. That's quite some mountain to climb if he wants to remain an MP.

Can someone please enlighten me about what Corbyn's "far left" "extreme left" policies are please? People seem very afraid of them whatever they are but there was nothing in their last manifesto I thought was particularly "extreme"

The Libdems will give Philip Lee a winnable seat elsewhere. He won’t be standing in Bracknell again - which I imagine will be quite a relief for him.

And probably for the voters in Bracknell as well

This is interesting. I doubt many of these new voters are aiming to swell the Tory ranks.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/more-than-100000-people-apply-register-vote-youth-uk-general-election

Elle His latest, out of nowhere, is to give tenants the right to buy from private landlords.. they say those who don't keep up the property, but, on fisrt reading, the proposal is very woolly on detail. It's a crowd pleaser, I'm sure many here will thnk it a wonderful idea.

But think it through and you see it is a wondeful lefty sop that can't go anywhere - unless he also adds compulsory purchase at a low % of value.

Maggie via John Knott told the Argentinians and everyone else we didn’t give a fuck about the Falklands. Quelle surprise the Argentinians went and had a go. Maggie has blood on her (dead) hands. Could have been easily avoided and she was warned repeatedly at the time, but no, she wanted her war.

As did Galtieri. Like I said, it sticks in my craw, but she didn't engineeer that one alone!

Oh and that lamentable piece of shit Nicholas “Perrier” Ridley

I'm all for punitive taxes on holiday homes. I'm sure John McDonnell will be first in line to pay tax on his...

That's not quite the same as "the government setting a fair price and the landlord having to sell" shpuld they fall below some woolly level of care / maintenance - having read back through McDonnells blather, he actually does sort of propose a form of compulsory purchase!

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/buytolet/article-7419041/How-McDonnells-Right-Buy-buy-let-homes-work.html

It will be as catastrophic as the scheme it is based on... weird that he apes one of Maggies worst moves!

So, wait, Maggie proposed it first? And yet it's called extreme left?

You could be right, Alsohuman, but here's another interesting link.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/29/student-support-labour-plummets-four-year-low-poll-reveals/

For those who can't get behind the paywall, the poll was carried out in August on behalf of the TES and support from JC among students eligible to vote has fallen from 70% to 38%.

That's another mountain to climb. We may already have reached peak-Corbyn but we'll only know if there is a general election.

“Elle His latest, out of nowhere, is to give tenants the right to buy from private landlords.”

Well, something a bit like that had been suggested for consideration -I think it was first raised in 2014. It wasn’t in the last manifesto and probably won’t be in the next. It’s a suggestion about how to do something about unscrupulous landlords, buy to let and the housing shortage. Seems quite a sensible thing to talk about to me. But I am a bit reassured that Labour is still left enough to worry the rich. Much better than the Tory practice of terrifying the poor!

Seems quite a sensible thing to talk about to me. How? The poorest rent the worst houses. How will they get any kind of mortgage? Even if they do have the price set at an extremely low % of actual value...

It is a ridiculous proposal and needs to be scoffed at. Then demands to be made for some real, effective proposals, preferably not involving Shelter either!

Like, give LAs some real power and money to police landlords properly. Strengthen the laws they can use against crap landlords and tenants alike.

This, on top of all the other stupidity that is already in, coming in over the next year or so, is ALREADY making things worse for tenants. landlords have no choice but to turn down more people than ever because of the current infantilising changes to the rental market. Consequences every part of the sector outlined and warned about.

Worrying the rich is one thing, doing so in a way that directly and negatively impacts the ability of the poorest to rent anywhere is another.

And yes, I do work in the sector, I see it every day!