To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

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So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

Thank you @ohflippineck, that means a lot because it’s a first! Yes, I share your anxiety, it’s difficult for a lot of us.

@ArabellaDoreenFig I agree with many of the things you say and have said similar things myself. But that doesn’t mean you are more scared of a Corbyn government than a no deal Brexit, does it? Getting Labour to get it’s message across is another thread.... ,

Have scoured the thread for any mention of NI and the GFA and have come up with not very much. A couple of brief mentions.

Let me make this very clear - a no deal Brexit will mean civil war returns to the UK. We've only had 20 years of peace, but the UK is apparently willing to burn the peace treaty that keeps its own citizens safe.

Bertrand

Fair point!
I think one of the tricky things about this debate is that a lot of people see it as Brexiter = Tory which muddies the water a lot.

And we are in the strange position of people voting to change the status quo so we don’t know what we are going in to, add in the fact that JC is a very divisive MP and I think you will get a lot of people unsure about what either outcome (no deal or Corbyn government) would look like.

Totally agree that it's incredibly frustrating that leavers NEVER have anything evidence based that indicates how/why things will be better for us if we leave!

I bloody hope that if we do leave I'm proved wrong, because if I'm/we're right we're fucking screwed!

I have a LITTLE extra groceries in but as I'm on a tight budget and with ltd storage I can't do more, i can't afford massive price rises on food, utilities etc as I just manage now, I am extremely concerned about meds shortages/having difficulty getting through because that could cause me real life threatening difficulties and major pain issues for dd, and I have other loved ones on life saving meds/equipment.

So PLEASE reassure me (backed up with evidence of HOW you're able to) that myself and those I care about aren't about to be faced with horrendous difficulties?

I don't think concerns about food, heat/energy and LIFE SAVING medical treatments are "minutiae"!

As someone who didn't vote for brexit, AND CERTAINLY not a no deal brexit I think I have the right to hold those concerns and want to discuss them.

I actually wouldn't have a problem with a sensible, well managed deal brexit including a peaceful solution to the NI/Ireland border issue, if absolutely necessary but a no deal brexit genuinely terrifies me.

"Those who think Corbyn is scarier than Brexit- what specific Labour Party manifesto commitments do you object to?" Excellent question. In my experience many of those declaring themselves anti Corbyn/Labour Party haven't even looked at the manifesto or voting records or anything like.

Yes. I have two questions.

1. What, specifically, is so terrifying about Labour?
2. What, specifically, is so good about Brexit?

I always struggle talking/typing with Leavers. They offer nothing of any substance as to why we should massively self-harm. Never ANY mention of a benefit, any that goes anywhere near ameliorating for the loss of economy, international status, freedom of movement, the NHS, food, fuel and medicine supplies, the peace process - just everything that keeps a developed country such as ours.

"Respect the Referendum" ? I'll try but I'm not seeing what there is to respect. Minds can change once we know so much more

What, specifically, is so terrifying about Labour?

I asked you this before but got no answer so I’ll try again. I find the prospect of a government with a chancellor who stands in front of s banner depicting Stalin and Mao as heros pretty terrifying.
Don’t you?

No-not terrifying. Stupid, yes. I find the Tories ongoing links with Saudi Arabia and America terrifying. But talking at a May Day rally? Daft.

I'm with Bertrand - proactive stuff like the tories ingratiating behaviour with the Saudis is far more terrifying to me than a thoughtless photo issue

I find it considerably less terrifying than the results of the last nine years austerity policies. And less terrifying than having a PM in the pocket of a mad man like aTrump.

Damn, looks like the Tories are going to crash and burn with 60% of MN against them. The public must be even more pro-Corbyn, so...

mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/1168934188193648641

Latest Westminster voting intention (2-3 Sept)
Con - 35%
Lab - 25%
Lib Dem - 16%
Brexit Party - 11%
Green - 7%
Other - 6%

Oh.

Presumably that poll was before the esteemed PM became a complete laughing stock this afternoon.

This wasn’t a tory v labour poll. It was a Corbyn government v. No deal Brexit poll. A very different thing. Many Tory voters are opposed to a no deal Brexit.

The public must be even more pro-Corbyn, so...

Its just lazy thinking

A number of posters have explained again and again that they don’t support Corbyn

Not liking something the tories are doing, or disliking a particular tory MP does not mean that you support corbyn

You are right about Corbyn. Wrong about Land Value Tax.

It is a compensatory payment for the loss of opportunity/harm imposed by those that exclude others from a valuable natural resource. So in principle, no different to the payment of wages or for goods/services received. Difference with LVT, the state collects, spends/re-distributes said compensation of our behalf.

Of course, there were those in the past that opposed the abolition slavery, citing exactly the same reasons as your opposition to LVT.

Yet slavery was ended and wages had to be paid. The total selling price of humans as property fell to zero.

Did the economy crash? No it didn't. In fact it got better as did the world we live in.

There are tory voters and people who voted to leave who are very against a no deal brexit. A no deal Brexit will damage a lot of businesses. There are a lot of Torys dead against it... as we are seeing in parliament!
And it's the same for the voters too.... being very against Boris and no deal is not the same as being pro Corbyn... I bet people have just chosen Boris and no deal as the worst option out of two quite shit options.
I mean I quite like Corbyn to be honest... but I do know people who dislike him... my husband and my dad spring to mind as two! But they HATE Boris and they really dont want no deal. So I'm sure if they were forced to pick they'd go with Corbyn.... a leader who they dont really like but could vote against in the future elections... rather than Boris with no deal which would plunge the country into what they consider to be immediate recession and hardship from which it will be very difficult to recover.

Well put, KrissKross

Thing is, plenty of people see 'no deal' as the better option to Corbyn. Out of two bad opinions.

It would be interesting to see if the Tory rebels also see Corbyn as the least worse option and campaigned that way.

“Thing is, plenty of people see 'no deal' as the better option to Corbyn. Out of two bad opinions.”
Surely nobody really thinks this?

I think they do, Bertrand, sad and mad as that is.

TLDR

The simple fact of the matter is that anyone who isn't absolutely terrified at the prospect of a Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott government needs to get themselves educated as to who these people are, and what they stand for.

Unless you're a communist (which you are perfectly entitled to be), or you laud the IRA and Hamas.

Why would we need to be terrified? What would happen to us? All the people you mention have been MPs for decades, why have they suddenly become dangerous?

@nornironrock- can you explain why we should be terrified? Specifically?