To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

[BlueDaBabaDee]

So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

Blair's parachuting of mps into seats, are you joking? What on earth do you think is happening in the Labour party at the moment. My constituency being one of them.

Which MP are you talking about birds? Id have to look if that was the case

Rufus, I know your one of the more rational remain posters on here

I don’t think ive ever been called rational

Might get it framed

Apologies...I’ll stop merailing

Corbyn.
Those of you saying he’s easily reversible - may I please draw your attention to Hugo Chavez and the mess he left behind him in Venezuela? It will take far far longer than 5 years to clear that up. I shudder to think what lasting damage a Corbyn/McDonnell government might inflict if left to their own devices. And don’t get me started on that Poundland ‘economist’, fiscally illiterate Rebecca Long-Bailey.

That unholy Trinty could well leave all reasonable intelligent people wishing we had had a No Deal Brexit after all.

“Saying Remainers know debate but then declaring your still waiting for answers is jarring my sensibilitie”

Why? I did think long and hard before I cast my vote in the referendum. I informed myself as well as I could and decided that on balance, remaining was the better option for me, my family and my country. There was lots that I didn’t and don’t know about, but once again on those points it seems to me that the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. So status quo. I asked myself questions like “What laws might I want passed for the U.K. that the EU won’t allow? And I couldn't t think of any. And despite that being a frequently cited reason for leaving, no Leaver has been able to give me any examples.

BINGO

Sorry Betrand that was for the PP above you

nd just when this thread was turning into a reasonable debate

Happens all the time

You say ‘nobody has said that’

And by the time you post it...someone has!

Because that is what it will be Alsohuman. Our lives will be much diminished. I think that’s shit, don’t you?
Sorry if that offends you. Leaving the EU offends me.

And just when this thread was turning into a reasonable debate someone comes along and spoils it all with “Brexshit”. Why do that?

We’ve also had BINGO. Not sure what this bingo was about though. Normally it’s used on Brexit threads to sneer.

Isn’t the bigger question re whether Boris will be replaced in 5 years or less?

Those of you saying he’s easily reversible - may I please draw your attention to Hugo Chavez and the mess he left behind him in Venezuela?

Sorry I thought we were playing Corbyn Bingo

Here’s a suggestion. Why not just ignore the unpleasant posts on both sides and and carry on. I’m pretty fed up with being a called a sore loser, a remoaner, of talking my country down, of spitting my dummy out and so on. But there is no need to engage.

Leaving the EU offends me too but I don’t think deliberately provoking people who disagree with me is a particularly persuasive tactic. And, yes, the bingo trope is also childish and pointless.

Just another poster, sorry but you can't possibly be watching what has happened in the Labour party. Jared o mara was one of them and there were numerous others, my mp included. It was partly due to the rush to find new candidates for the last election but it was also due to momentum wanting candidates to follow the party line. Just like blair did. Now you can argue whether its a good thing or not but it's exactly the same behaviour.

Ive only ever been told that i should leave my country on mumsnet

Traiter...unpatriotic...lefty the insults keep coming

(I’m joking about the oefty bit...no one yell at me, im fragile)

Oh fuck

The lefty bit

Damn you fat fingers!!

But there is no need to engage.

So however unpleasant the post it should just be ignored?

@Autumnintheair
Maximus.

No. You cannot possibly tell us what will happen In the eu in next five years.

I love that this is your takeaway from the whole post I said I could predict what would happen in the EU if we didn't leave. Based on historical data. It is how we predict anything.

Also, there are large groups of experts who do just that. You can look up economic projections from a multitude of reputable sources if you want to look.

I am happy to make a few projections against yours of a wealthy, happy post-Brexit Britain if you would care to put your money where your mouth is. We can pop over to Betfair right now

“So however unpleasant the post it should just be ignored?“

Well, you can report personal attacks of course. But I can’t see a lot of point in engaging with the same old run of the mill insults on both sides. And they are on both sides.

Corbyn

Those who think Corbyn is scarier than Brexit- what specific Labour Party manifesto commitments do you object to?

Corbyn is pro Brexit so it’s not an either or.

I object to Corbyn himself separately from any manifesto issues (though selling women’s rights out while calling them bigots isn’t brilliant, and I don’t see how renationalising sums add up at all). I am chilled by the way regimes he says he admires/calls friends operate, and looking at the views quite openly stated by key members of his party I have no confidence they value genuine democracy. I object to his inability to admit things cost money and you need a budget for them.

Bertrand

I have repeatedly explained some of the reasons why Corbyn has not earned the respect/trust of many traditionally Labour voters. I have also explained that many WC voters don’t feel engaged with, don’t feel listened to or represented and that is why people have turned away from Labour.

They could have the most well thought out manifesto ever written
but until they engage with their core voters it might as well not exist.

I don’t think you should be asking what don’t people like about Labour’s policies you should be asking how can Labour engage with people and draw it’s voters back to actually look at the policies.

I concede you’re probably right Alsohuman. It’s called deep despair. I imagine many of us were much nicer people before this horror story began. Certainly much less anxious.