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To be so angry with dd

189 replies

MozzchopsThirty · 01/09/2019 17:59

This isn't the first post regarding her behaviour!
Last year she created havoc on holiday
Then I asked her to move out in January because she was so badly behaved and it was affecting her brothers

Anyway yesterday I took her out as she has just landed her dream job
My OH was out with staff and clients
We went to meet them for a drink and i asked her to behave
Within 20 minutes she had thrown a drink over one of the guests and he threw one back
My OH jumped to her defence but another woman guest said that my daughter had been at fault, and I don't doubt this
So she left
We got thrown out of a nice hotel and I felt like a complete arse in front of OH and his clients

I haven't spoken to her today as I'm so disappointed and angry
She text me and said she will not allow people to be rude to her and it's not what she should put up with because she's a woman, she's very big on feminism, being goady, pushing other people
Rather than just walking away or ignoring

I can't talk to her AIBU

OP posts:
Passthecherrycoke · 01/09/2019 19:31

“Whoever said 23 is 'prime dick behaviour', no it isn't!
14 - 17 maybe.”

A 14 year old wouldn’t be in a posh hotel at a client dinner throwing alcoholic drinks over grown men would they? It’s totally a just graduated from uni know everything act

Greencustard · 01/09/2019 19:32

It all just smacks a bit of a 1950’s “now be a good girl for daddy’s work friends” type attitude

Why oh why do people just make stuff up on here?

This thread is bonkers. Why the fuck is OP getting such a hard time for her daughters behaviour? Is it from all the people who were equally arseholes when they were younger projecting?

User344772734481882445 · 01/09/2019 19:33

I want to know why she is like this, and the role of the OP in raising her this way.

How did she react to mum and dads break up?
OP, how long have you hated her?
How did you model prosocial behaviour to your daughter?
Does daughter know she's loved unconditionally?
Did this behaviour start after some kind of trigger? Or slowly arise?
How was her behaviour managed when she was young?
How does you daughter get on with your OH?
Why is she now a feminist? Where do her values and passions arise from?

HeadintheiClouds · 01/09/2019 19:34

Op had to caution her to behave before they even went inside... This is surely not normal for a 23 year old!
It’s very possible that the catalyst was nothing of any significance whatsoever.

MozzchopsThirty · 01/09/2019 19:34

@lemonyellowtangerine how long have you hated her??

Where was this said? You're just being a goady fucker making things up as you go along

OP posts:
MozzchopsThirty · 01/09/2019 19:36

I'm done here

But thank you to those people who offered genuine concern and advice rather than the utterly judgey made up nonsense from other posters

OP posts:
HeadintheiClouds · 01/09/2019 19:36

It really isn’t, cherrycoke. Most people are telling you different, doesn’t that signify anything?

Passthecherrycoke · 01/09/2019 19:41

No, apart from they’re wrong.

QueenOfPain · 01/09/2019 19:42

Why do people just make stuff up on here?

She asked her to behave beforehand. If that wasn’t asking her to be a good girl then I don’t know what is.

I feel sad for this girl, maybe she is just antagonistic and difficult, but people don’t default to that setting without a reason and the fact that nobody cares to know what upset her so much seems quite significant.

QueenOfPain · 01/09/2019 19:43

Why even post on AIBU if all you were looking for was confirmation bias?

Nanny0gg · 01/09/2019 19:46

If you had to tell a 23 year-old to 'behave' when meeting business people for a drink in an hotel, you shouldn't have taken her in the first place.

At 23 I was travelling to meet business people on my own all over the country.
So I hope she can control herself when she starts her new job.

PinkP65 · 01/09/2019 19:46

Sorry, but your 23 year old is a real-life poltergeist.

When me and my sister (L) were little (me 5, and L 3.5), my parents took us out to simple family restaurants once a week. My little sister repeatedly started mini tantrums, climbing under the table, deliberately throwing tortilla chips with the salsa, and the like.

As they hadn't had to deal with me in this manner, they knew they had to get her in line so we could go out as a family.

My parents, LOL, told her when we left the house that she would get one warning before we turned around to come home, no dinner before bed.

I remember about 4 times this happened with her. She had to learn to confront her frustrations, which she DID :)

Once we had ordered and started eating she began with her tantrums. We stood up, and drove home, L screaming.

Another time we had just arrived and parked the car. On she started, again. My father re-started the car, we backed out, we went home, and she got no dinner.

Again, in particular, I remember we had JUST ordered.

Tantrum again, and so we got the food to go, and she got nothing when we got home.

Finally.

It ended.

She had to believe they would follow through on the threat, not leaving her any choice. Before we left the house each time, my father would say, "L, are you hungry? Let's all go for Mexican food."
We were never spanked. We were never screamed at, neither at home nor in public. We were not threatened, strong-armed, etc. We were simply reminded of rules for whatever we were doing, at home or out in public. The INSTANT that L began a small tirade, without word or warning, we left. Her food stayed if we were in a restaurant, or her toy put back on the shelf at the store, candy at the market, you get the gist. My parents said not one word, put hers back, we got ours and we quietly left for home. Every. Time.

Your own family has to see a stern, realistic, STRONG AND NOT FEARING attitude from you.

This is happening because you are allowing it to come back to you. For whatever reason, your daughter learned to react this way for attention and to DEFLECT her frustrations about her inadequacies onto others, and onto you, because she has not learned a better way. You cannot simply say "Why do you do that?" Sheesh. If she knew that, this wouldn't be happening at all.

Emotional management skills come only AFTER one faces their fears and gets clear on what it is that is causing inner turmoil. She is not inadequate as a human being. Her actions, however, are, as they are not fitting for her when in public, never mind growing into an adult. Skills of knowing how to look within and have a relationship with her positive qualities does not exist, but it can and it will when she is left to deal with it. That is her job. Yours is to walk away.

I don't know why you don't just grab your check and leave her there with the madness she created to solve on her own. Even the check. Especially if you were going to pay.

Turn, walk away without saying a single word to warn her.

She is behaving like a toddler, and she gets a reaction out of you each and every time.

She is a grown woman. We all know she knows exactly what she is doing, so stop asking "why".
She has to learn why.
Do not even converse with her.

It is hers, and hers ALONE to face, consequences and all, without you there to witness it.

Are you all heavy drinkers? If she can't hold her alcohol, both literally and figuratively, ... nuff said!

I don't humor such childish, immoral behavior at ALL, and I also don't say a word. It is not my place to judge her or others. I just turn away and leave. Period. Nothing else.

Force her to face it and correct it on her own time, and do NOT EVER give her the benefit of the doubt over her intentions to behave.

My GOD... you are telling a grown woman to BEHAVE? Did I read that right?

Cut her off.

I did it to two friends about 10 years ago. I did not want to have to. One friend began yelling in frustration at the dinner table over somebody who was not there. I cut her off right there. I smiled, said goodnight as well as to the rest of my guests, and saw the back of her. 3 weeks later as I was not answering her calls, she came to my gate, demanding NO. SCREAMING at the house, wanting to know why I was not answering her. Just as when at the dining table with great old friends of mine she began to scream, I paid no attention.

Another time I saw a friend for what she really was, a complete functioning kindergarten teacher alcoholic.
Again, I cut her off, period. No explanation. Next, I reported her to the school district she works for.

Another short-term (until I realized) friend said something horrific about "children like mine"... My little one has her own bag of special needs and health issues she was born with. She is a total doll. This woman I had met through a friend of a work colleague, said something so sideways, that I did not even get angry (I was dying inside...)
I stood up and, not even looking at her, said, "You know what, I don't need to know you anymore." Yup! I stood up and walked away. I did not hear a peep out of her. Finito. Never looked her in the eye, nada.

It is not my job to judge, merely keep myself in a space that is productive for my own happiness and growth, especially if others are in the picture.

Do not play backseat to the life and car you yourself are running, not ever.

Ignore, leave.

When you are no longer there for her to identify with, you will leave her alone, quite literally, so she is left with her own feelings and frustrations to face and wrestle with.

It has long been HIGH TIME she is left on her bumm.

"Fifty Ways To Leave Your Lover"...

Thornhill58 · 01/09/2019 19:47

Most be really hard for you. Your dd is like a time bomb. Most be nerve racking not to know when she is going to blow up.
I wouldn't talk to her until she sends an apology. Even if the man had been rude the right thing to do is to walk away and talk to your oh about later.
She doesn't have a sense of occasion or restraint.
Unless the man had touch her inappropriately I would not support her behaviour.
Clearly you can't trust her to be calm and mature.
Hopefully she'll grow up soon. She'll be happier and less reactive.

User344772734481882445 · 01/09/2019 19:48

i asked her to behave

This is a bit weird. Sounds like language I'd use to refer to my 5 yr old.

Also, you said OH leapt to her defence. Why? What did he think happened?

Tableclothing · 01/09/2019 19:50

Does she strongly dislike your boyfriend?

PerkyPomPoms · 01/09/2019 19:50

Surely you want to know what was said to cause the reaction? Does your OH know? I understand you are upset about being thrown out of s hotel but that would be the first thing I’d ask.

TimeForNewStart · 01/09/2019 19:50

There’s more to this than the OP is letting on.

HeadintheiClouds · 01/09/2019 19:54

Good old cherrycoke. I’m right; you’re all wrong 😆. Course we are.

NeatFreakMama · 01/09/2019 19:55

I thought it was going to be a 16 year old, at 23 I'd expect her to be able to hold herself like an adult. She needs to grow up or life will be really tough for her.

HeadintheiClouds · 01/09/2019 19:57

If you have to ask a 23 year old adult to make sure they behave themselves before launching them into a social scenario, you really shouldn’t be doing it.
Don’t listen to anyone insisting this is normal behaviour, it isn’t.

BanningTheWordNaice · 01/09/2019 19:58

Excuse me OP, like most people her age a huge sense of entitlement?! I’m 29 but at her age there is no way in hell I’d have thrown a drink over someone especially not my dad’s clients. I work with 21 year old interns who wouldn’t behave like that. Kindly don’t judge everyone just because your daughter can’t behave herself.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 01/09/2019 20:00

Why are people talking about the fact that OP split with her dd's dad as if it's somehow an excuse for this behaviour?

I'm a child of divorced parents, at 23 years old I knew how to conduct myself in public and wouldn't ever throw a drink over someone It's not a teenager having a strop, this woman is a grown adult.

IAmALazyArse · 01/09/2019 20:03

23 years old is certainly not an age to behave like this. Hmm

bigKiteFlying · 01/09/2019 20:04

I have difficult family members - not my children but you manage them and avoid certain situations.

I’m sure it was hope over history that this time would be different but taking someone who apparently has a history of wanting/causing upset to you to a situation where they have the power to do that and telling them to behave because it will upset if they don’t seems likely to end in tears.

Best thing to do is remember this and avoid such situations going forward.

Don’t listen to anyone insisting this is normal behaviour, it isn’t.

I agree it's not - it's very worrying behavior.

AutumnCrow · 01/09/2019 20:10

All I know is, I'd want to get to the bottom of it. What did your OH hear / think happened?

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