To not speak to my husband over Brexit!

[telvg]

So does anyone virtually want a divorce because their partner agrees with No Deal? I feel like telling my husband, when we have no money and food prices are sky high, or if someone we know can’t get medicine they need, that it’s his fault for supporting Brexit and No Deal. I don’t understand why people are so short sighted and can’t see the bigger picture. Everyone my age (mid 40s) and younger, who went to University, is anti Brexit, or at least anti No Deal. Even the most staunch, Middle Class over 60s, don’t support No Deal. The only ones who do, appear to be uneducated, ignorant or racist, homophonic, sexist etc type people. So why does my husband agree with it? I feel he’s not the man I married. So am I being unreasonable to feel this way?

Well Caucho I didn't say they owe me an explanation. But when they choose to offer one, and I'm not holding a gun to their heads, nor are phone in programmes, the majority view is immigration. And don't throw the straw man argument that implies I don't think they should have a vote, as I said no such thing.

And I'll trust the eminent scientist, Brian Cox, on the issue of collaboration going forward more than you, thanks. Just like I'll trust eminent economists more than BJ.

Baffles me that when it comes to brexit it’s suddenly fine to stereotype a whole group of people - brand them uneducated, racist etc. Having never met all of them. Kind of stamps on their superiority for me

I’m mid 40’s, read Economics at university and have worked in investment banking for 20yrs. My job is to advise FTSE 250 clients on risk management and have done nothing but discuss Brexit, professionally, for the last 3yrs. I voted leave and fully support no deal.

So Edwin do you think WTO terms will be fine for the companies you work with? How long for? Will they be able to hire staff? Because as you will know “no deal” is only the start of the process, and we will then start (from a hostile an unamicable position) negotiating some sort of trade deal (which will have conditions attached) with the EU. Thereforre is likely to take longer to get away from WTO terms. Does it not worry you that that will be the position? If not, why do any countries bother with trade agreements?

The eu response to so many crisis are enough in themselves to horrify me.
The da speigal article on the eu consistent failure to stop ak47 from being trafficked, leading to their use in the battaclan slaughter, the subsequent cock up with the borders and all the rest could be channeled I suppose into a more visceral disgust and loathing of Remainers

No care for victims of sex trafficking, slavery that's sprung up all over UK, and eu due to free moving, flourishing criminal gangs who've been handed a gift with free movement.

But dh who voted remain isn't aware of that side of things like many Remainers.

Most people don't see the bigger picture and just look to the immediate impact on their life.
Our life is precarious we are not investment bankers. I couldn't vote to remain in what I see as a totally incompetent organisation whose leaders I do not trust.

Checks, measures, should have been thought out and put in place before Borders are opened. Discussions should have taken place... Criminal gangs... How do we stop them when we have no border checks. Automatic weapons, how do stop them being smuggled from war zones?

To just whack open borders and let all hell unleash disgusts me. And people think this is good to be part of! Utter shambles.

But I appreciate most people aren't bothered by this... Their concerns are thier concerns. Yes it surprises me, many posts on here seem utterly selfish and others deeply moving.
That's life. We live in a democracy.

snowy - it's quite possible that edwin's advice to his/her clients was 'move your money' - as JRM has done. Maybe 'edwin' is really Crispin Odey.

How hard is it to understand, Brexit has not yet been finished, so we don't know the answers yet, as we need the details to supply the answers .

You are missing my point @LetsTryToLetGoOfAnger . I’m not saying all 17million people are racist bigots. More that all racist bigots are likely in the pro-Brexit camp. I should have done a Venn diagram to be clearer.

How hard is it to understand, Brexit has not yet been finished, so we don't know the answers yet, as we need the details to supply the answers .

So much for taking back control. The pound is in the gutter, jobs have been lost, UK is close to recession, there have been dire warnings about no deal. What else would you like to know?

I’d rather align myself with those who support democracy rather than those who shamelessly oppose it so much that they will do anything to prevent the outcome being realised. If we end up with no deal, that is the fault of staunch undemocratic remainers who tried to thwart the referendum result by trying to create a BINO Brexit. I couldn’t care less about the name-calling. It is an indication that remainders can’t defend their position. And don’t really understand racism at all.

Everybody under mid 40's did not vote against brexit or no deal, my son is a Dr of Engineering, working at a high level in industry as a research scientist and believes no deal is the best option. YABU.

GhostofFrankGrimes no you need hard facts, and we just don't have these yet .
So how can you have answers when you don't know all of the details, to give the answer

My dh supports bj, i dont.

We agree to disagree or else i proberly would divorce as i can see where this country is going and he sees utopia.

DH and I both voted to Remain but our views on what is happening at the moment are wildly different. He's a Remoaner and I wanted Theresa's deal. etc etc We love a good discussion bicker

By the time the facts are known it will be too late. In the meantime could listen to experts warnings.

Believe it or not, we weren't all persuaded by slogans on the side of a bus. We had a Conservative govt - I knew their priority wasn't investment in the NHS.
What I did believe is that I had a reasonably competent govt who were capable of planning and negotiating an exit. I'll hold my hands up there and admit I spectacularly overestimated both their willingness and ability to do the job they are very well paid for!
If MPs hadn't spent the last 3 years plotting to overthrow the result and if TM had possessed a back bone and some ability to negotiate (a cynic might think she'd tanked negotiations on purpose, being a reamainer) then this could have been done and dusted. Instead the EU has sensibly exploited our weak govt and bickering MPs.
I don't want no deal. But I also don't want a deal which leaves us all the negatives of EU membership and none of the advantages, so reluctantly I don't think it can be taken off the table without totally jeopardising the ability to end up with something that works for the UK.
The EU wants to deter anyone else from leaving, so it wants to make this process as hard for us as possible. But I don't want to remain politically tied to an organisation which has not respect for freedom of choice at a core level. I also believe that trade with the UK does serve them too, so no deal isn't considering the well-being of their own economies either.

Tldr - they all need to stop behaviour like bratty children and conclude a sensible arrangement which protects everyone's economies.

ShrinkWrap - it's actually a common leaver trope. If anyone points out that the likes of EDL, Football Lads Alliance and other racist groups all support Brexit, they will pop on and say 'so, you're accusing 17.4 million people of being racist?'
It's beyond tiresome, but it happens over and over again.

We had a Conservative govt - I knew their priority wasn't investment in the NHS.

Then why did Tory politicians stand in front of the infamous red bus? Seems like some people are happy being lied to.

The racist antics of the EU are conveniently forgotten by those supporting Remain.

telvg what a nasty bigoted judgemental person you sound. Maybe your DH has seen your true colours

I would struggle to feel happy about staying with someone who voted Leave - knowing what it is doing to the country, knowing what it may well do. It depends very much on the reasons for doing so. I have family members that voted Leave and while I deplore that they did so, I have no desire to cut them out. But I‘ll be honest, I do look at them differently and hold them partly responsible for us having this idiot in No. 10.

Politicians lie. What's sad is that we've come to accept this as normal and not a huge moral failing.
I think it started to go wrong when the expenses scandal came to light. Many people at that point woke up to the fact that our politicians weren't serving us so much as their own bank accounts. But instead of sacking them and starting again, they were allowed to pay it back and carry on (normal people would have gone to prison for expenses fraud).
Add into that the Tony Blair years, with his illegal, immoral war and the blatant lies from Nick Clegg wrt tuition fees, JC and anti semitism etc and it becomes clear that we are governed by people who will say anything for power.
That's how we've ended up with the moral black hole that is BJ.

@telvg
oh god I can completely relate to this. My dp and I have been together for over 10 years and have 3 dcs. We do not discuss brexit because we have such different views on it. We have honestly had arguments over this crap.

I am firmly remain.

He is British/ Australian and I am European. Our kids are all three. At the last elections he voted UKIP😡😡😡😡😡 he considers BoJos move to suspend parliament a 'clever move' . He thinks brexit will be good for the UK economy. I think his pain relief medication must have gotten to his head
He is a very intelligent man ( high IQ and educated to PHD level) but is older than me so maybe his age is to blame........ I honestly don't know anymore.

I sometimes think to myself ' if you don't like Europeans then why the hell are you with me so long' and 'why did you sign passport forms for our dcs to get European passports'

Or maybe he just thinks that total freedom of movement isn't a cracking idea and that being tied to an increasingly large group of countries with different economies and priorities, doesn't best serve Britain's interests in the long term. Or he considers to EU to be corrupt and unwilling to change. There are any number of reasons for his vote. Age indeed! I hope as your husband, he speaks about you more respectfully that you have spoken about him here!

As an aside, wanting to leave the EU does not equal a dislike for Europeans