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A MIL and a dog one......

337 replies

MilDog · 22/08/2019 09:15

I know how much MN like to MIL bash and how divided the opinion on DDogs can be, so I'm steeling myself.....

Background on MIL:
Absolutely lovely woman who I love to bits and she's like a second mum to me.

I can count on 1 hand the number of disagreements we've had over the 20 odd years DH and I have been together. But, for all we get on, we are different personalities and have very different views on life.

Her only downside is that she can be very opinionated and the kind of person who doesn't take well to people disagreeing with her opinion. If I'm brutally honest, the reason there have probably been so few disagreements is because DH and I know when to pick our battles.

Background on DDog:
DDog is a year old and an absolute baby. I am not kidding on this, every morning he needs a cuddle when we get up before breakfast.

He is a big softie and I've seen him stand there and do nothing when other dogs have been snarling and snapping at him. That said, he is a heavy set muscular breed and weighing in at almost 30kg he could do serious damage to another dog or person if he chose to.

DC is 12 and they are best mates. DDog takes more notice of DC than me or DH, he literally has him at a word.

The situation:
A few weeks ago I was out walking DDog and a child (maybe 9/10?) was riding a scooter on the pavement towards us. Despite me having DDog on a short leash walking at heel and trying to keep us both to one side of the pavement, the child rode flat out into us hitting DDog, running over his foot making DDog yelp (I'm fairly sure it was deliberate, no reason otherwise as there was plenty of room and he could've slowed down to pass us).

No drama, but I did have a word with the child and told him to be a bit more careful in future.

A couple of days later same child went to do the same thing again, except this time DDog saw him coming and immediately started growling and snarling at him. I asked the child to stay back until we had passed as clearly DDog was frightened but the child ignored me, got off his scooter, walked straight towards us and put his hands out to try and stroke DDog, who at this point was still snarling and growling and baring his teeth!!

I ended up walking into the road to move DDog away from the situation.

It upset me because as I said, he's usually such a big softie especially with children and he's been around other children since the first incident and hadn't reacted at all. I contacted our dog walker (who is a behaviourist) and had a chat with her, she re-assured me it was a pure fear response but still we've arranged for her to do some sessions with me and DDog to try and get him over this fear and help me distract him and keep him calm if we are ever in a similar situation.

The MIL/DDog problem:
DH and I are supposed to be going to an event this weekend that means we'll be out from around 6pm to 11.30pm (but only 20 minutes from home). DC is quite happy to stay home (lots of family and friends within 10 minutes of our house if needed in an emergency), we've arranged to have him a takeaway delivered from our local place (where the owners know him and us) and dog walker is coming to take DDog out between 7pm and 8pm, after which DDog will do his usually sleep on the sofa and refuse to move.

But MIL has decided that DDog can no longer be trusted around DC and is coming round to sit with him.

Now, normally I couldn't get too worked up over this and this is a perfect example of where I would usually smile and nod and just let her crack on.

However, she is bringing DN with her as she is babysitting for the night. DN is younger than DC and a bit of a handful and DC has said he doesn't want DN here. I think he feels like his "grown up evening" is being ruined and he's a bit gutted.

My second issue with is that DN is not too keen on DDog, not full on fear but nervous because of DDogs size and having not been around dogs very much. DDog can get very boisterous when we have visitors (think of a toddler who's been fed 1kg of sweets) so he goes in his crate - I don't really want him locked in his crate most of the evening while DH and I aren't here!!

My AIBU dilemma:

  1. Do DH and I put our foot down and tell MIL she is not to come round with DN, which will probably cause an unholy row and potentially could make life difficult for a while.

  2. Smile and let her crack on to keep the peace - and also maybe I am BU leaving DC13 alone with DDog??

For full disclosure, we didn't actually tell MIL about our plans, no reason other that it just hasn't come up but she asked DC about it and it's him she's told she's coming round - she had t actually said anything to us (which I suspect is because she knows we'll push back....,)

What the hell do we do and are DH and I BU????

OP posts:
FlossieTeacakesFurCoat18 · 22/08/2019 09:43

It's not fair to ruin your ds'a night for the sake of "keeping the peace". Either your Mil or your ds will have to be disappointed and I don't see why you should favour the person who is being a pita! Just say no and as pp have said, frame it as giving your ds independence.

MountPheasant · 22/08/2019 09:43

I don't like dogs, and I agree with you. Your MIL is being melodramatic, the kid on the scooter clearly upset your dog. Tell her no. I'd tell your son to put the chain on the door in case!

MilDog · 22/08/2019 09:43

If this weren’t the MIL in this story people would be saying that they were right to be worried about such a large dog suddenly becoming aggressive.
and again this is why I keep second guessing/questioning myself, especially as MIL (on the whole) is usually pretty sensible.

What breed is your dog?
I don't want to say specifically but he gets 50:50 mixed reactions from the general public - on the one side "OMG what a stunning dog" to the opposite being people move small children away from him on sight Confused

I'm erring on the side of some posters advice to have a word and explain DC was excited about his evening and if she wants to pop in to check on him that's fine but maybe leave DN with FIL.

I should add, we do also have cctv in the house that we put in to keep an eye on dog (sorry about the DDog lol!) when he was a pup - DH and I can access it on our phones and see exactly where DC and dog are and what they're doing.

OP posts:
ohfourfoxache · 22/08/2019 09:44

I think you have to say no to MIL, otherwise she’s going to continue pushing boundaries. You wouldn’t give in to a toddler tantrum, why give in to an adult tantrum?

TrendyNorthLondonTeen · 22/08/2019 09:44

"Ridiculous to have a strong and potentially dangerous dog in the first place. So many breads that don't pose a life altering threat. Totally understand why your mother in law would not want a child left alone with it. It's not a baby it's an animal with animal instincts. How many times do you have to hear news reports where these dogs attack and how they were like a baby and never hurt anyone before. So irresponsible."

Yawn

Floofboopsnootandbork · 22/08/2019 09:45

OP your dog has given you the heads up he can be aggressive

Growling isn’t aggressive, it’s a warning before they become aggressive.

NoSauce · 22/08/2019 09:46

It’s up to you OP. You asked for advice and mine would be to be careful now, you’ve been given a warning that he can be aggressive. It’s your shout. You know your MIL and whether she’s a drama queen or not.

Is the dog a bull breed?

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 22/08/2019 09:46

My guess is a staffie. Gorgeous dogs but look scary to anyone who isn’t keen on dogs. I would be wary of one I didn’t know in the same way that I am with every dog.

NoSauce · 22/08/2019 09:47

Growling isn’t aggressive

Added to snarling and snapping it is.

Herefortheduration · 22/08/2019 09:49

Number 1 without a doubt

Floralnomad · 22/08/2019 09:50

The breed of the dog is an irrelevance , my aunt was badly mauled by a St. Bernard and our farrier was attacked by a golden retriever , all breeds of dog can be ‘dangerous’ . This dog is not dangerous , he growled / snarled at someone who hurt him . If someone ran over my foot with a scooter I doubt I would just smile sweetly at them .

MuthaFunka61 · 22/08/2019 09:52

It sounds as if ddog has had a situational reaction and so this isn't something that should become a general problem,especially as you have a behaviourist involved.

As you say, DS is learning to become independent and responsible, so perhaps this could all be explained to MIL and ask her if she'll be available via phone if necessary. Be clear that it's not a good idea for DN to visit during this period of Ddog's behaviour modification and it's unnecessary for MIL to stay.

I'd also talk with DS to have a plan if MIL arrives unannounced. This may involve crating ddog so ensure that no incidents occur and a phone call or text to yourselves so you are informed of what's happening and can assess whether you need to return.

It's important that DS knows he doesn't have to handle any potentially difficult situations on his own.

NoSauce · 22/08/2019 09:55

MIL aside OP, I would be watchful from now on and definitely get some sessions with a behaviourist. All I’m saying for the sake of your son be careful now you’ve seen this side of him.

rookiemere · 22/08/2019 09:56

YANBU ( but that's on the assumption that your ddog is genuinely a big softy). We have a similar situation- have had ddog since DS was 12 and would happily leave him alone with ddog in those circumstances. DS would also hate it if it was felt that he needed "babysitting ", plus introducing DN to the situation who isn't used to or happy with dogs is a bad idea.

Perhaps to diffuse the situation could Ddog stay with the dog walkers for the evening? Or DM pops in a couple of times ?

Cocolapew · 22/08/2019 09:58

No don't say she can nip in on the night. Your DC wants this bit of independence, MIL doesn't need to be there for any reason.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 22/08/2019 09:59

He has been snarling, growling and snapping though. Why isn’t that enough of a warning?

I had someone cycle over my foot once. I also snarled, growled and snapped.

slashlover · 22/08/2019 10:00

He has been snarling, growling and snapping though. Why isn’t that enough of a warning? And we don’t know this dog, what it’s really like and what breed it is. The MIL does and is obviously concerned.

So a kid on a scooter deliberately runs straight into and over your foot which causes you to yelp in pain. A few days later you see the same kid on a scooter heading straight towards you again, do you just stand there and wait for it to happen or do you yell at him? That is what the dog was doing by growling. The kid keeps going so do you stand there or shout louder? That is what the dog was doing by baring his teeth.

slashlover · 22/08/2019 10:03

Added to snarling and snapping it is

He has been snarling, growling and snapping though. Why isn’t that enough of a warning?

Anyone able to point out where OP said that the dog snapped? She said the dog had bared teeth and that other dogs had snapped at her dog.

imclaustrophobicdarren · 22/08/2019 10:07

Tell MIL to butt out.

But, in a more serious level. I can tell this is a cute dog, please post a pic. I need to see the soppy beast!

MoreFrog · 22/08/2019 10:08

OP your dog has given you the heads up he can be aggressive, don’t let your child be another statistic
Completely agree. In most news reports regarding dog attacks, the dog has apparently 'never hurt a fly' or shown signs of aggression. This one has. It's an animal. It could turn on a sixpence.

NoSauce · 22/08/2019 10:09

It doesn’t matter what caused the dog to behave like this, the fact that he did is what matters. My dog has been trodden on, accidentally sat on, even had some step ladders fall on him and he didn’t react like that at all.

If this were the MILs dog that had been snarling and growling etc people would be saying do not let your child stay on their own with it I’m sure.

HeadfirstForHalos · 22/08/2019 10:11

A dog growling at a horrible child that has previously hurt it is not an act of aggression. Growling is a healthy normal response to something causing the dog fear. It's a clear warning to "go away" .

If dog is fine with your ds and your ds is a responsible child that doesn't wind the dog up then I'd leave them to it.

Mandalorian · 22/08/2019 10:14

I had a family member with an 'aggressive' dog. It didn't growl it went straight for the bite. Thats the most dangerous.

Op's dog is growling. It's saying 'Hey, back off, I don't like this' and tbh if I'd had my foot run over by a scooter I'd be saying the same.

I spoke to a behaviourist about the family aggressive dog. She told me the problem had arisen by the family member punishing the growling, so the dog no longer did it. Growling it's a good thing.

Bookworm4 · 22/08/2019 10:14

I’m always amazed on dog threads at the sheer ignorance and moronic posters.
The dog growled at someone who had hurt him and attempted to do it again, perfectly understandable.
For the idiot saying why have this dog? Under 30kg isn’t huge, a Labrador is bigger.
@MilDog
Tell your Mil it’s none of her business and she’s not to come round, you’ve done everything right regards your dog, do not listen to the hysterical clueless comments here, MN seems to think only poodley doos and spaniels should be pets 🙄

Fucksandflowers · 22/08/2019 10:15

My guess is a staffie. Gorgeous dogs but look scary to anyone who isn’t keen on dogs

OP said the dog weighed 30kg...
I can only assume you've not met many Staffies!
My dog is quite a bit bigger than a staff and she weighs about 16kg for comparison

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