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AIBU?

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to hold the title of OW for the rest of my life

463 replies

MatildaWormwood8 · 15/08/2019 12:53

So. 17 years ago DH left his ex wife for me. I was the OW. I’m not proud of this and I’ve tried ever since to be a better person. It was a horrible thing to do, I was young and I like to think I’ve grown up a lot since then.

DHs sister has never liked me. I understand why and do my best to keep things civil. But to this day, 17 years later she still harps on about how I was the OW. She will do this to my face, behind my back, to other family members. I’ve tried talking to her about it and she claims “it’s just a joke” and I shouldn’t be so sensitive. But no one laughs when she says it and it’s caused awkwardness at family functions. MIL has asked her to stop but SIL has a tendency to throw tantrums / be over the top and we all tend to pussyfoot around her so as not to set her off.

DH is the love of my life and we have a wonderful marriage. I fully take on board I did a terrible thing. I own up to that. AIBU to think we should all have moved on from 17 years ago? Or should I accept this is how things are and this is just a form of punishment for my bad behaviour.

OP posts:
yikesanddang · 16/08/2019 09:43

TheGodmother the irony is just outstanding. You are literally the most bitter, sanctimonious and self righteous kind of nasty. Everything you are projecting is just further showing us all what you are.

Bartlet · 16/08/2019 09:45

Rubicon. Absolutely no shame on my part. Just a healthy sense of proportion and an ability to see that I’m the only one responsible for my own happiness. Anyone who would hold a grudge over one kiss 17 years ago is obviously not someone with either and is doomed to a miserable life.

Timandra · 16/08/2019 09:50

You reap what you sow.

Seeing as the OP's crime was one drunken kiss, she seems to have been harvesting a great deal more than the crop she sowed for a number of years now.

The OP and her DH acted responsibly once they realised their feelings for each other. Nobody should be condemned to a life in an unhappy marriage just because they hadn't ended it before they met the right person and nobody should be punished for ever because the love of their life was married to someone else and left them.

Nothing about the OP's actions justifies the SIL's behaviour. The SIL is a nasty piece of work who needs to be put back in her box.

As I commented earlier. The OP needs to insist that she, her DH and DCs leave immediately every time the SIL has a dig at her. She will soon be told to stop.

messolini9 · 16/08/2019 09:53

So months of 'closeness and flirting', followed by going out, getting drunk together and kissing wouldn't be cheating if someone did it to you?

If it were me, it would be my husband who was the flirt & cheat.
The "OW" (shame so many PP here are unable to read beyond the misleading thread title) was merely bantering with a work colleague.
As soon as they had kissed - a kiss which the OP acknowledges as wrong - she amended her actions by withdrawing all contact.

If my husband then came home, owned up to the kiss, & began the process of separation, yes I would be bitterly hurt, assuming I still loved him. I couldnt accuse him of cheating though. He made a mistake, owned the mistake, & finished the marriage. He then spent 6 months having no contact with the woman he had kissed.

So yes. it would be hurtful. But no, it would not be cheating.
And certainly not the fault of the woman who engaged in a kiss, then owned her fault in the matter & immediately removed herself entirely from the situation.

TheGodmother · 16/08/2019 10:08

@yikesanddang You're in-depth knowledge of my personality, feelings and attitude are outstanding!! Congratulations to you!!

I'm dipping out of this thread now, the OP asked for opinions and when she and others didn't like the answers, the keyboard warriors got to work. Have a good weekend all.

neverornow · 16/08/2019 10:20

Your SIL is pathetic. She's using what you did 17 years ago as an excuse to keep picking on you. She's projecting. Probably has a bit of an inferiority complex and you're an easy, reliable target for her. It probably makes her feel better about herself when she (continues) to try make you look bad.

She actually had no right talking about your business like that. Cut all ties with her. Tell her you don't want your DC's being exposed to this type of toxic behavior and suggest she gets on with her own life rather than constantly bringing up your business from 17 bloody years ago!

FfionFlorist · 16/08/2019 10:22

I consider people who hold a grudge rather sad, I find it restricts their enjoyment of life and as they get older they collect all these grudges and bug bears and it begins to wear them down and before you know it they are bitter and twisted and sometimes lonely and unfulfilled as a result. Feel sorry for your SIL.

A 17 year marriage is something to be proud of op.

MatildaWormwood8 · 16/08/2019 10:31

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MsMarvellous · 16/08/2019 10:41

So everyone here who says the OP deserves it is perfect. You never made a mistake that impacted someone else, said something hurtful in anger that had lived with someone for the rest of their lives, broken something valuable to someone by accident.

Those of you who are so adamant the OP is deserving of this bullying are wrong. Sorry. But it's true. It's much better to forgive, forget and move on. Life is too short to be so bitter and twisted. Shit happens. And this wasn't even an affair. It was a kiss that made the OPs husband realise he needed to end things with his wife, which he did without being with the OP. Exactly what I'd hope for in those circumstances.

OP, I hope you tell your SIL publicly where to go and to wind her neck in. 17 years is beyond long enough. I'm sorry you've had so much grief.

SlowMoFuckingToes · 16/08/2019 12:05

There are a lot of ways to hurt the person your married to. It's like a bad puritanical play that this one way is the one some people can't get over. Everyone manages to make mistakes in life and to hurt other people with their actions. I'd be having it out straight with her or alternatively you could see yourself a scarlet A and pin it to your chest a la Hester Prynne every time you see her!

Honeyroar · 16/08/2019 12:12

You've got to laugh when someone comes onto a thread being blunt, rude and horrible, yet strops off calling people keyboard warriors when they get a bit of their own medicine.

Eustasiavye · 16/08/2019 12:15

I would stop seeing her.
It was your dh who was married.
I would tell your dh that you've had enough and won't tolerate her any more.

IABUQueen · 16/08/2019 12:24

Look I think in this world when you wrong someone you do have to compensate them until they’re ready to forgive.

The EX was wronged. It was an emotional affair. And her then husband did decide to leave because he was excited about this new experience of a woman who confessed her love.

I’m sure your marriage had ups and downs and I’m sure if you were in ignorance bliss of what your husband is capable of, and your marriage was having a down, if he was in similar circumstances then he probably would’ve. The length of your marriage isn’t a testimony that it was better than hers.. it’s just a testimony that you both learnt from your mistakes not to let it come into YOUr lives.

However, her life has not benefited anything. She has been rather unfortunate and this betrayal might’ve scarred her for life. And it is both your responsibility to bare, more so him.

It was an emotional affair, wasn’t deliberate from your side but you did put your emotional needs and so did he above his marriage.. and it was hugely unfair on her. It doesn’t sound like it was spiteful and it did sound like you didn’t think things through at the time. It was irresponsible, ignorant and selfish. For both of you but mostly your DH. All of which common for someone of a young age so it’s not odd.. but it’s also not an excuse to let someone else pay the heavy price for both your mistake.

I don’t think his family owe you any trust.. and they’re probably resentful that they’re forced to celebrate you as a couple when things started at someone else’s expense.

However it’s never fair for someone to never have a way to come back from their mistake. I still think whatever happened doesn’t give your sil the right to shame you like this.. but god knows what happened for her to resent you. Perhaps she doesn’t like the fact you feel “entitled” to be accepted in the family without earning their trust and respect after it was destroyed.

I always believe whatever mistake we did, we should always have an option to clear our conscience and our slates. Your sil and couple people here believe the way for justice to be restored is through “karma” and they resent seeing justice not be served by watching you enjoy a healthy marriage at the cost of an innocent woman who had her trust betrayed.

However, I don’t believe revenge and karma are the only way for justice..

I believe you sound genuinely sorry and sad for how things started. I don’t believe you were deliberate and we all make mistakes. You probably could t see at the time how bad of a mistake it was because if you did you probably would’ve backed away and refused to date him as it was most likely his emotional involvement with you that led him to not want to work on his marriage.. but you realise your mistake now. A bit too late for her but that was her luck.

I really hope, that some form of compensation was made to the ex wife. A formal apology from you both. And some compensation which would be fair based on what she had to go through until you both realised your mistake. Whether it’s financial, or sentimental. And I think his family should know about it..

It probably wasn’t just the way her marriage ended. It’s probably that you felt insecure and didn’t want her to contact your DH or in laws. You put your needs ahead of hers even though she was betrayed. you probably felt entitled to wipe away her rage because you are now his number one. Based on how many OW behave. You probably expected him to not feel guilt towards her and not process his feelings with her because he is now yours. Forgetting that you made the choice to infringe on her emotional need for closure by stepping in too early to the relationship, so you owed her.

It’s hard for OW to put herself in the shoes of ex and not turn over protective of her DH. But it probably came across as selfish and entitled. Which anyone would find hard to accept into their family.

So this needs an honest look back at the past and wondering what could be tangbaly done so all those affected can feel somewhat like an effort has been made to acknowledge the impact on them and open the door for some responsibility to try to compensate.

It doesn’t matter how long it has been. What matters is what has been done to rectify. It could’ve been 17 years of selfishly making the ex wife live in hell.

I’m still not excusing the sil behaviour. But I am excusing her resentment. And I’m thinking that you and DH feeling guilty isn’t enough. But it’s a very good start.

My dad married OW. I respected her and got over it after 2 years. But her resentment of my mother coloured her attitude towards me... her insecurity over the fact my father wasn’t in fact totally over the loss of my mother and his stupid haste decision meant that she was willing to put herself first by in fact wanting to annihilate the guilt my father felt towards us as his kids and making it difficult for him to see us.. and so I still saw her for the selfish person she was. For the home wrecker she is. My mum had no grudges over her, she felt happy to have finally got rid of my father. I wasn’t resentful of her for marrying my dad because I knew my mum didn’t want him back.. but I hated her character, for what she is willing to do to save her home while she wrecks ours. You can’t wipe that away with time, you wipe it away with actions.

Again, blame can go on both sides. You sil is to blame for her stupid comments.. and you and your DH need to examine how to deal with your guilt proactively and not just feel entitled to be trusted and forgiven just because you finally get it... because ofcourse your get it, you are not married and in her shoes.. but you need to take responsibility for it, even 17 years later.

bellabasset · 16/08/2019 12:27

You didn't start going out with your dh until some months after he had split with his ex. Presumably your dh left his ex as he was unhappy with her rather than due to meeting you. This may well have devastated his ex but I doubt it was to do with you.

I think you should just tell SIL she is wrong and to shut up being malicious and to knock it on the head.

Tolleshunt · 16/08/2019 12:35

IABUqueen there is a massive, massive level of projection in your post. It all seems pretty crazy to me. OP did something a bit wrong, but not really major, 17 years ago. Your ideas about what she should do, feel and be subjected to now are way OTT.

Have you yourself never done anything hurtful to anyone? Of course you have! You’re a human being. You may feel that what OP did is ‘worse’ than anything you have ever done. Others may disagree. If you are a human being, you will have done wrong. You will have hurt people. If you are fixating on other people’s perceived misdemeanours that may be a way of deflecting from owning your own shit.

Butchyrestingface · 16/08/2019 12:38

IABUqueen there is a massive, massive level of projection in your post

I’m just impressed you managed to wade your way through that length tome. Wink

Timandra · 16/08/2019 12:42

You probably could t see at the time how bad of a mistake it was because if you did you probably would’ve backed away and refused to date him as it was most likely his emotional involvement with you that led him to not want to work on his marriage.. but you realise your mistake now.

She did.

There's a huge amount of projecting in your post. The OP is asking only if it's reasonable to expect her SIL to cut the vile comments after 17 years. It most definitely is.

messolini9 · 16/08/2019 12:42

You probably could t see at the time how bad of a mistake it was because if you did you probably would’ve backed away and refused to date him

& if you had RTFT, you would already know that this is EXACTLY what the OP did.

WestBerlin · 16/08/2019 12:44

If someone came up to me 17 years later to give me money for ‘stealing’ my ex husband, I’d frankly think they were fucking barking.

Confused
OliviaCat · 16/08/2019 12:50

Most relationships overlap. People like to be with people.

Everyone in my family is in a relationship that overlapped with another, come to think of it. Perhaps we are all morally bankrupt.

Your SIL is bonkers.

ballsdeep · 16/08/2019 12:54

Has your sil been cheated on herself? Perhaps this is why she is harbouring such resentment

ballsdeep · 16/08/2019 12:54

@oliviacat that most definitely isn't the norm.

yikesanddang · 16/08/2019 13:10

TheGodmother
I'm dipping out of this thread now, the OP asked for opinions and when she and others didn't like the answers, the keyboard warriors got to work. Have a good weekend all.

..says the keyboard warrior...

TheGodmother thinks her views are 'opinions' and contradictory views are 'keyboard warriors'. Can't make this stuff up.

bumblingbovine49 · 16/08/2019 13:15

If you want the complete honest truth I would always remember that about you too and however well we got on it would colour my judgement of you. Of course my (imaginary) brother would also be to blame but a sibling relationship is different and we often forgive them stuff we wouldn't for someone else.

My first husband left me for someone he is still married to 20 years later and whilst I am very happily married to my DH and really bear my ex or his wife no Ill will at all and realise now that ex and I were not realy well suited, I still haven't forgotten the utter devastation of being left and a tiny tiny sliver of that emotion is reawakened I if I meet someone I know was the OW, no matter how long ago. I would have to work hard to overcome that feeling.

It would be different I think if the person was already my friend when they became the OW

It is pretty childish I know and I am aware it.is my issue but it.is how I feel. None of that is fair but then it wasn't fair that you and your DH fell in love and he left his first wife. Life just isn't fair, we know that, we just get on and live it the best we can.

SavingSpaces2019 · 16/08/2019 14:04

no SIL is not married. In all the time I’ve known her she’s not dated anyone for longer than a year
Yep - jealous and bitter.
This is what i'd throw back at her when she makes nasty comments.

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