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To think Jeremy Corbyn has finally lost the plot, if he thinks Westminster should vote for him to be Prime Minister?

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hiphopchick · 15/08/2019 09:32

Temporarily for now. (So he says!) So he can call a general election and get the Tories out, and get Labour in (so he can have the job permanently!) And maybe even derail Brexit. Even though he has been very anti-EU all his political life (40-odd years!) he seems to have fallen in love with the EU this past year or two! Wink

talkradio.co.uk/news/jeremy-corbyn-make-me-temporary-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-19081531927

Personally, I actually laughed out loud when I saw the news this morning, and saw that he wants Westminster to vote him in as Prime Minister. The man is so deluded, and off the planet, that I'm not sure he should be leaving the house, or holding a hot kettle, or in charge of sharp objects, let alone running the fecking country! Confused

YABU if you disagree with me.

YANBU if you AGREE with me.

You probably already know that.

I'll get me coat....... Grin

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Thymeout · 16/08/2019 22:01

Re the many posts about right-wing MSM smearing Corbyn. Every Labour leader is given a rough time by the usual suspects - Telegraph, Mail, Express. The Mail accused Miliband's dead father of being a traitor. But none of them has been accused of anti-semitism or sympathy for terrorists and dictators.

Could that possibly be because none of them, EXCEPT Corbyn, has made a habit of associating with anti-semites and Holocaust deniers, the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah and taken money from the Iranian state for presenting programmes on Press TV? These are facts. Not smears.

Corbyn has only himself to blame.

noodlenosefraggle · 16/08/2019 22:09

Child poverty, homelessness, people struggling... oh yeah, STOP BREXIT! angry
Unfortunately Brexit at the moment is the most pressing issue. Until we know how, as a country, we can trade with the rest of the world, what laws we can and cannot make, what state the economy is going to be in, then none of those other things can be sorted out. Corbynites trying to minimise Labour's lack of clarity on this issue is doing them no favours.

Thymeout · 16/08/2019 22:20

Don't. Sorry cross-posted. Yes. I feel like that, too, sometimes. But in the end, the principle of representative parliamentary democracy is more important than loyalty to a particular party because an MP's duty is to do what is best for all his constituents, not just those who voted for him/her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2019 22:27

surely if a vote of no confidence in boris is upheld then he should be replaced with another Tory party member

As I understand it that would usually be the case (but Thymeout explained it much better). Bear in mind, though, that Corbyn massively lost a VoC without feeling the need to go, and still feels he should be made PM by whatever means he can find

And folk honestly believe he'd keep a promise to call an "immediate election" and not even attempt to force through any Labour policies? I mean, really? Confused

ChristmasCarrot · 16/08/2019 22:30

@noodlenosefraggle It isn't actually the most pressing issue, as there's actual fuck all anyone can do but argue. There are actual problems to deal with now that are unacceptable for a first world country. It was introduced as a vote winner and now it's being used as a smoke screen.

I can guarantee you, whatever happens with Brexit, the richest in society won't be losing any sleep.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 16/08/2019 22:30

I have no loyalty to any particular party. I am a floating voter who has always voted on manifesto. I don’t think I can do this anymore as no matter what I couldn’t allow my vote to put Corbyn in power. Nor could I vote lib democrat. This leaves Tory and as they stand I don’t want to vote for them either.
British politicians and politics leaves me in a wasteland of nothingness. I have voted in every general election since I became old enough to vote and now in my 50’s I have no one to vote for.

noblegiraffe · 16/08/2019 22:30

How could he force through any Labour policies?

ChristmasCarrot · 16/08/2019 22:32

As for lack of clarity, I don't care about Brexit. Do it, don't do it. There are positive and negatives to either decision. Politicians who want to entirely stop Brexit aren't doing themselves any favours. They're going against those who voted for it, which was a majority, albeit a slim one.

Singletomingle · 16/08/2019 22:36

As a staunch leaver let me say if Corbyn were to become prime minister I would want us to remain simply to make it easy for me to leave the country!

ChristmasCarrot · 16/08/2019 22:37

@singletomingle Is the hysteria really necessary?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2019 22:39

How could he force through any Labour policies?

Only with the greatest difficulty, and even then he'd probably fail since the numbers wouldn't stack up

But as said I can well imagine him trying, if only to buttress the Saint Jeremy, Man of Principle nonsense and please his Momentum puppetmasters

Mileysmiley · 16/08/2019 22:39

Jeremy is delusional if he thinks he will be PM

RebeccaWrongDaily · 16/08/2019 22:41

I am a long term member and hold elected role/s within the Labour Party and work alongside the LOTO's team.
I am not a JC fan but as leader of the opposition it is incumbent on him to put forward the VONC. Even if it is not something he believes in personally (remaining within the EU) policy was voted upon at formed at conference and it is the right thing to do.
I would be happy with HH or with Ken Clarke if push came to shove, taking over negotiations. Keir Starmer is also very sensible and would do a good job.
if only the leader was elected by the PLP

Singletomingle · 16/08/2019 22:51

ChristmasCarrot why is it hysteria to look at someones beliefs and record and see that its something I want to avoid completely? You only have to look at his continued support and admiration of Venezuela.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 16/08/2019 23:08

I could never vote for a man who sat next to and even praised Martin McGuinness. That man had innocent blood on his hands that he was never bought to justic for. I hope he is rotting in hell.

To think Jeremy Corbyn has finally lost the plot, if he thinks Westminster should vote for him to be Prime Minister?
happinessischocolate · 16/08/2019 23:29

@Dontsweatthelittlestuff So you won't vote for Boris either?

To think Jeremy Corbyn has finally lost the plot, if he thinks Westminster should vote for him to be Prime Minister?
Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 17/08/2019 00:45

as I have already said on this thread no I won’t vote for boris.
I have already stated than all three major parties are not votable to me.

ChristmasCarrot · 17/08/2019 01:28

@Singletomingle I don't agree with him on every issue, but it's pretty ridiculous to leave a country when he wants to make society fairer. It would be a lot less hysterical to leave Tory Britain, as things are extremely rubbish for a lot of people.

ChristmasCarrot · 17/08/2019 01:34

I'm not sure that I'd be able to vote for Harriet Harman. That is the woman who has voted for wars and military interventions on issues that don't involve our country. If I remember correctly, she also voted against councils helping poorer people being able to afford their council tax. She's also not too big on protect people's privacy.

SolitudeAtAltitude · 17/08/2019 07:17

The main flaw is that we cannot trust/expect Corbyn to stop Brexit, as he is very much pro-Brexit Confused, right?

Ithinkmycatisevil · 17/08/2019 07:28

Better him than Boris.

theduchessstill · 17/08/2019 07:45

The only thing stopping me jumping for joy at his proposal is he is too brexity so I don't trust him. Also, if we get a GE with him in charge of labour we stand a real danger of Tories back in, but KC being in charge wouldn't stop that anyway, so...dunno Sad

If JC cared about no deal a above all else he would stand down. The fact he doesn't makes me think he wants Brexit but wants to be able to claim to have tried to stop it and hopes to sweep into power in the chaos that would follow a crash out. He's an absolute fucker if that's what he's doing Angry ds also pointed out that JC hasn't helped matters by inexplicably gunning for JS as soon as she got elected He should have reached out straightaway. Knob

I think it would be very fitting if Yvette cooper took the role she should have won the leadership election anyway, and if she had we wouldn't be in this crisis as I think labour would have won in 2017, or even the argument for remain in 2016

And all these people saying they couldn't vote for so and so because of policies they supported years ago are ridiculous imo. None of that matters when compared to the consequences of a no deal Brexit I will happily vote for anyone who has an intention and chance of stopping that. Doesn't mean we have to be loyal to them forever.

noodlenosefraggle · 17/08/2019 08:37

christmascarrot Brexit will impact on our ability to deal with all of the issues you talked about though. Of course the rich won't be impacted by Brexit. But it was large swathes of the Northern working class who voted for it and will lose their jobs as a result of it. Labour sitting on the fence during the referendum did them no favours at all. I agree that there doesn't seem to be much we can do about it but if your answer is a Labour government, then the chances of them gaining power at the moment is dependent on their position on Brexit, because that boil needs to be lanced before Labour starts discussing how they are going to make a 'fairer society' which is such a general term. All politicians say they want a fairer society.It was TM's election speech. It's being willing and able to do it and having the means to do it that matter. Tony Blair is some kind of hate figure now in Labour, but he was in power, was Labour's most successful leader and his government did more for child poverty in government than Labour could possibly do sniping from the sidelines. Most people on this thread have a problem with JC not because they are Tories, but because they feel he has made Labour unelectable. If Labour are unelectable then they can't enact their policies. If they do win an election in November or whenever it will be, then great, he can be judged on what he achieves in government. If JC loses another election, he needs to go.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 17/08/2019 08:41

Well NiceRadFem says Jeremy Corbyn is not racist.

And yet there are videos of him using racist language to attack Jewish people in the room with him. There are videos of him applauding Holocaust deniers racist rants. There are videos of him happily nodding along to Jew-hating bile on a phone-in. There are his letters where he unreservedly defends known Holocaust deniers - not deniers on the side but people for whom it is their raison d'etre. There are his friendships with people who constantly call for the destruction of all Jewish people. Just to name a few instances. Now either he's the unluckiest anti-racist ever or the anti-racist claims are a tad dubious.