To think Jeremy Corbyn has finally lost the plot, if he thinks Westminster should vote for him to be Prime Minister?

[hiphopchick]

Temporarily for now. (So he says!) So he can call a general election and get the Tories out, and get Labour in (so he can have the job permanently!) And maybe even derail Brexit. Even though he has been very anti-EU all his political life (40-odd years!) he seems to have fallen in love with the EU this past year or two!

talkradio.co.uk/news/jeremy-corbyn-make-me-temporary-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-19081531927

Personally, I actually laughed out loud when I saw the news this morning, and saw that he wants Westminster to vote him in as Prime Minister. The man is so deluded, and off the planet, that I'm not sure he should be leaving the house, or holding a hot kettle, or in charge of sharp objects, let alone running the fecking country!

YABU if you disagree with me.

YANBU if you AGREE with me.

You probably already know that.

I'll get me coat.......

[EnthusiasmIsDisturbed]

Sadly many people don’t view anti semitism as real racism 🙄 you know because many Jewish people are wealth and have powerful positions and support Israel

Corbyn ignored Jewish MP Ruth Smeeth being verbally attacked by a Momentum supporter who apparently didn’t know she was Jewish (yeah right). This was at the press conference for the launch on the report of anti semitism within the Labour Party. So a sensitive issues for a number of Labour MP’s. The tirade was nasty Ruth Smeeth was visibly upset and Corbyn sat there and did nothing absolutely nothing. Not only that on his way out of the conference walking through his loyal devoted Momentum supporter he spoke to this man and said I shall be in contact

I can’t not imagine any other Labour leader behaving in such a way or even Boris Johnson. Let’s not pretend because racist language was not used by the Momentum supporter that he didn’t single her out without reason. Ruth Smeeth knows herself when she i

That to me showed us what sort of man he is - an agitator from the back seat he was for 30 years a back bench rebel who achieved fuck all and now as leader he is achieving fuck all

[NiceRadFem]

I can only comment on my personal experience, like you comment on yours. If you are claiming that your experience is evidence I am afraid you are going to have to give some support to it.

There is a group called Jewish Voice for Labour that is more eloquent about the matter than I could possibly be.

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/

I conclude my comment on the matter as I do not wish anything I say to be misinterpreted and cited out of context. Which would undoubtedly be to support an anti-socialist agenda.

[NiceRadFem]

My honourable friend, Could you name the Momentum supporter or your source? A link to a written, reliable source and some evidence would be welcome. Thank you!

[NiceRadFem]

Some evidence from a Jewish group here: www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/ehrc-investigation-into-the-labour-party-evidence-of-jewish-voice-for-labour/

[EnthusiasmIsDisturbed]

Google is your friend

It was well documented at the time

And of course he claimed he didn’t know Ruth Smeeth was Jewish

Funny that racist people who single out someone to be nasty towards always claim they are not racist and that has nothing to do with it

[NiceRadFem]

Actually, I just checked.

Gladstone Marc Wadsworth, black activist and founder of the anti racist alliance. Campaigner for husrice fir Stephen LaWrence. He was expelled from the Labour Party following the incident that a previous poster recounts with several embellishments.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Wadsworth

And shall we hear from the accused himself:

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/05/i-am-not-part-of-labour-antisemitism-problem

[NiceRadFem]

Wadsworth is now suing the Labour Party following his expulsion, which I believe was forced by the media's reaction (with an anti labour agenda) also fomented by comment like the previous poster. In the meanwhile the far right advances and is way more dangerous to the Jewish community that words can say..., but let's go against a black man and committed socialist, eh?

[TheBigBallOfOil]

So you listen to Jewish voice for labour, but not Luciana Berger, Ruth smeeth, Louise ellman, Margaret hodge, virtually every other Jewish organisation in the country ...
That’s a bad case of selective hearing you got there. You might want to get that looked at.

[MyCatsHat]

JC has never even had a plot to lose - he's utterly clueless about what to do, he's just too stubborn to accept he's not cut out for leadership. If he cared about anything at all he would stand down. Looking at him makes me want to throw things at the telly and I'm a lifelong labour voter.

If he can't mount a coherent and withering opposition to BORIS JOHNSON why even bother leaving the house? My 9yo could do better and I'm not even joking.

[NiceRadFem]

"Google is your friend"; "you may want to have your hearing checked". I have provided evidence, maintained a polite language at all times and do not bite. That's not the kind of debate in which I partake. We shall agree to disagree, and hope the evidence I have brought has been helpful to some.

[TheBigBallOfOil]

I think you have been very helpful. To the Tory party. As a member, I say keep going. Sterling work.

[noodlenosefraggle]

To be honest, Jeremy Cornyn is the Tory party's magic bullet. They can do what they like and say 'yeah but look at the alternative'. They should be being a annihilated for the current shitshow. They are sitting pretty while the opposition make a shambles of every proposal they come up with.

[RebeccaWrongDaily]

Wow, imagine joining the Conservative party and being proud of it.

[Alltheprettyseahorses]

JVL was specifically set up to defend Corbyn and includes an awful lot of people who aren't even Jewish. Corbyn's videos, friendships, letters etc are not my experience - they're his. Labour racism isn't magically better than Tory racism or Brexit Party racism. In fact, it's worse. They are the ones who should be standing against racism. The media's so-called anti-Labour agenda wouldn't get far if there weren't all those racists, would it? Enthusuasm has got it spot on - racism is racism.

[NiceRadFem]

No problem, and I wish to thank you all for keeping me in check and making sure that my opinions are evidence-based. I used to work with many principled Tory party members and, outside the internet, it is actually very possible to work together find some kind of agreement and compromise, or at least arrive to the agreement that things were complicated. We both just wanted people's lives to get better, even if we disagreed on the way to get there. And I guess that being a Tory member at the moment must be as infuriating as being a Labour member. These are difficult times and we should strive for some kind of unity and work for the principles of peace, justice and kindness that unite us!

[starfishcoffee]

I have very few problems with JC track record. Here is his voting history.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremycorbyn/islingtonn_north/votes

I am not a huge fan, but Boris can fuck right off.

[Thymeout]

I saw the Marc Wadsworth incident on TV. So did millions of other people. It was filmed because it took place at the launch of the Chakrabati report on anti-semitism. (The irony.) Corbyn stood there like a pillock - present but not involved. Even Shami looked to him to stop Wadsworth, and then had to intervene herself. The conversation between Corbyn and Wadsworth afterwards was also filmed. V matey. Big smiles. 'You've got my number haven't you?' This to the man who had just abused one of his MPs.

I also saw film of a conversation between Corbyn and Willsman - the NEC member whose rant accusing the Board of Deputies of being Trump supporters was also shown on TV. Corbyn was asking Willsman to look at the anti-semitism definition and to highlight anything that 'might cause us difficulties'. Willsman was thrown off the NEC and then voted back on again as part of the Momentum slate.

But the most damning evidence for me was when Luciana Berger was asked in a TV interview when Corbyn had last spoken to her. '14 months ago'. 14 months, during which she suffered horrendous anti-semitic and misogynistic on-line abuse, ending in a court case. And Corbyn never even picked up the phone.

[jewel1968]

NiceRadFem - thanks for sharing your insights. I found it very interesting.

[alreadytaken]

Havent read the whole thread - but while I am no fan of Corbyn and agree with the comments about him keeping the Tories in power it makes sense for anyone wanting to remain/ another referendum to vote him in. There is no danger that he will be able to do more than that because he would not have the votes in the House of Commons to do so. So he would be in power for less time than any Prime Minister in our history.

There is no way the Labour Party will vote in anyone else so it's him or Boris leaves, he really has no choice now but to deliver.

[Alsohuman]

The crux of the matter as far as I can see is that the leaders of both the main parties are puppets having their strings pulled by two people for whom nobody has ever voted. Seamus Milne is running Labour, while Dominic Cummings is dictating to the Tories. They’re the two most dangerous men in the country.

[noblegiraffe]

Jewish Voice For Labour are riddled with anti-semites so it’s unsurprising that they can’t see a problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

The twitter account JVL_Watch are very instructive on this. E.g. twitter.com/jvl_watch/status/1148618534525837313?s=21

[jewel1968]

Do you think racism exists in any of the other parties? I seem to recall some issues people have with racism and the Tories?

[ChristmasCarrot]

I'm not sure the msm even know what anti-semitism is. I find it quite weird, because you're allowed to bash Palestinians constantly, which is absolute blatant anti-semitism, but nobody seems to even care.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Sadly many people don’t view anti semitism as real racism

Indeed

Even on here, concern seems to be reserved for selected groups only - as seen when antisemitism threads often receive 100 posts at best, while the forum can explode over racism suffered by others