To think Jeremy Corbyn has finally lost the plot, if he thinks Westminster should vote for him to be Prime Minister?

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Temporarily for now. (So he says!) So he can call a general election and get the Tories out, and get Labour in (so he can have the job permanently!) And maybe even derail Brexit. Even though he has been very anti-EU all his political life (40-odd years!) he seems to have fallen in love with the EU this past year or two!

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Personally, I actually laughed out loud when I saw the news this morning, and saw that he wants Westminster to vote him in as Prime Minister. The man is so deluded, and off the planet, that I'm not sure he should be leaving the house, or holding a hot kettle, or in charge of sharp objects, let alone running the fecking country!

YABU if you disagree with me.

YANBU if you AGREE with me.

You probably already know that.

I'll get me coat.......

There seem to be two different proposals being conflated. Corbyn’s offer, which is to no-confidence Johnson, ask the Queen for permission to form a government, then ask the EU for an extension to Article 50 and immediately call a General Election. Purdah means no policies could be enacted before the election.

The other proposal is for Johnson to be no-confidenced, a cross-party Government of National Unity to be created lead by TBC and their sole purpose is to sort out Brexit (possibly via second referendum) then have a General Election.

But it wouldn't be a government of national unity would it? It would be 100% remainers. So it would be a government of remainer unity GRU.

What would the parties tactics be in subsequent GE?

Labour currently say they would negotiate a 'different' deal with the EU and then maybe have another referendum in which they would oppose the deal they had just agreed

Libdems currently say they just want a second referendum which they would refuse to honour the outcome of unless they won it of course

Would remainers vote for Labour in this scenario? Has anyone decided what the second referendum would be on?

Boris would canvas on 'People versus Parliament' and leaving the EU immediately after the election. Remainer MPs like Grieve would be immediately deselected, replaced with brexiteers.

It would be one hell of an election and chaos if we had another hung parliament. Pandora's box will be ripped apart.

Boris is great, I voted for him

But it wouldn't be a government of national unity would it? It would be 100% remainers.

Why? I don’t think anyone has come up with a serious proposal for this, but the idea is to avoid no-deal, not to avoid Brexit completely.

It's easy fur Johnson to get a majority supported Brexit through Parliament- Come up with a plan to avoid No Deal, that isn't one that hopes the EU caves first and stops us No Dealing. Or get out of the fucking way and let the grownups deal with it.

the idea is to avoid no-deal, not to avoid Brexit completely

Libdems/Green/SNP are definitely trying to avoid Brexit completely.

Many Labour MPs are trying to avoid Brexit competently
Jeremy Corbyn doesn't seem to care as long as he gets power.

And MPs have three times refused to support the deal and avoid Brexit.

So it is 100% to avoid no deal and then get Brexit stopped.

Good

But the world won't stop turning just because we're faffing around trying to sort out Brexit. The interim PM won't just be writing a letter to the EU and calling a GE. He won't be passing any legislation because of purdah, but he will be running the show and have to respond to events.

What if the Iranians hi-jack another tanker, or there's another Novichok incident, or the Russians are involved in a border incident with one of the Baltic states and NATO calls on its members to send troops? We know where Corbyn's sympathies lie from his reactions as Leader of the Opposition.

How many MPs would be relaxed about PM Corbyn chairing COBRA?

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't seem to care as long as he gets power.

He’s a Leaver, he wants to negotiate a new deal with the EU.

The only way that enough MPs will support no-confidencing Johnson is to make it purely about avoiding no deal.

If it was about stopping Brexit then they’d be uniting behind someone who would command the confidence of parliament and promise to revoke Article 50.

He did so much better at the last general election than anyone thought. Maybe....just maybe....it’s mainstream media that’s biased

Corbyn’s offer … to no-confidence Johnson, ask the Queen for permission to form a government, then ask the EU for an extension to Article 50 and immediately call a General Election

I'm no expert in parliamentary law, but the thing that bugs me here is what guarantee there could be of an immediate election being held if the Queen had already given permission for a government to be formed? Especially when "an extension to Article 50" could be dragged out for a very long time?

Apart from the risk of a vote of no confidence, what's to stop them just trying to hang onto power? And please don't anybody say "they'd promise not to", because it seems to me we're beyond believing promises from any politician

Maybe....just maybe....it’s mainstream media that’s biased

Yes, I’m sure it’s just the biased media that has led to Corbyn leading a Labour Party of 247 MPs, 11 fewer than Gordon Brown held when he lost power in 2010...

We’re always being told what an honest and exceptionally principled man Corbyn is, so he couldn’t possibly go back on his word to call an election.

Besides, if he did become caretaker PM and not call an election, he wouldn’t be able to get anything through parliament as he has nowhere near a majority and betrayed MPs wouldn’t vote for anything.

God no.

I loathe the shitshow of crap that is what we have...but not even THAT would make me vote for JC or want any government led by him. I will NEVER vote labour again until he is off the scene completely. Fuck no. Cannot stress that enough.

It's sad that every major issue in this country is forgotten in lieu of Brexit babble.

Child poverty, homelessness, people struggling... oh yeah, STOP BREXIT!

I really don’t get this. How can the leader of an unelected party be made prime minister even if it is only until an election can be held.
I thought we were a democracy and we vote for the party we want in power and the last I heard JC and the Labour Party lost the last election. So surely if a vote of no confidence in boris is upheld then he should be replaced with another Tory party member.

Ken Clarke would be the best option imo

So if you really think no deal Brexit is the worst of all things AND you loathe JC what would you do if asked to support either:

• No Deal Brexit; or
• JC (who you loathe) in No 10 but stopping No Deal (at least for a few months)

Is it a case of Devil and Deep Blue Sea and so might as well stick with BJ and No Deal?

Much as I have no respect for Corbyn, I’d put the devil in charge if it would stop the country going down the pan.

But putting Corbyn in charge WILL send the country down the pan.

It is indeed a laughable idea - Corbyn would be terrified of real power - and it won’t happen (and I’m sure all parties involved
know that), but just for the fun of it how would this play out? Corbyn forms some sort of unity government and calls a general election. And campaigns on a Brexit policy of what?? Stopping Brexit? - loses the Leave vote, Labour heartlands that voted to leave, who’d never forgive the betrayal. 2nd referendum? - ditto. “Negotiating a better deal with that EU?” - laughable. Ditto. Where does that leave him?

He is being seriously out-manoeuvred by Boris and Dominic Cummings. It’s fascinating to watch.

I’d take most people over Bojo the clown.

I think the best person would be Ken Clarke

I'm definitely not a fan of the Tories in general, but I think, and have thought for a long time, that Ken Clarke is the best Prime Minister we never had.

He’s the Leader of the Opposition so the obvious choice. I believe him that it’d just be to stop no-deal Brexit and that no Labour policies would be put through.

Don't No - technically, we vote for the MP. Could be an independent. Could resign the party whip and continue being an MP until the next GE. We don't vote for a PM in the same way the Americans vote for a president.

If the PM, the Leader of the party with the most MPs, loses a confidence vote, anyone who has the support of a majority of MPs can form a govt. Doesn't have to be a Tory. But it has to happen within 14 days, or there's a GE - and it's the PM who decides on the date.

In practice, this doesn't happen. When Callaghan lost a confidence vote in 1979, he immediately resigned and called a GE which he knew he would lose.

The only reason it's happening now is because Johnson-Cummings are playing silly buggers and trying to get Brexit through without Parliament having a say.

Thymeout thanks for that explanation. I always thought my vote was given to the party of my choice via the candidate standing. But who ever the candidate standing i choose to vote for them on the bases of their party manifesto.
I am not sure I like the fact that once I have used my vote to get them a seat as an mp they can leave the party they campaigned under and still keep their seat. I for some reason thought this would trigger a by election.
Nor do I like the fact that any majority can then form a government. To my mind it should be a general election. The whole thing seems just too undemocatic but hell what do I know.