To think Jeremy Corbyn has finally lost the plot, if he thinks Westminster should vote for him to be Prime Minister?

[hiphopchick]

Temporarily for now. (So he says!) So he can call a general election and get the Tories out, and get Labour in (so he can have the job permanently!) And maybe even derail Brexit. Even though he has been very anti-EU all his political life (40-odd years!) he seems to have fallen in love with the EU this past year or two!

talkradio.co.uk/news/jeremy-corbyn-make-me-temporary-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-19081531927

Personally, I actually laughed out loud when I saw the news this morning, and saw that he wants Westminster to vote him in as Prime Minister. The man is so deluded, and off the planet, that I'm not sure he should be leaving the house, or holding a hot kettle, or in charge of sharp objects, let alone running the fecking country!

YABU if you disagree with me.

YANBU if you AGREE with me.

You probably already know that.

I'll get me coat.......

[allthegins]

Corbyn is a joke and he would destroy Britain if he got in. People really need to look deeper at him and McDonnell. There’s a reason he hasn’t been outed yet and probably never will

[allthegins]

*ousted

[Alsohuman]

Britain’s on course for destruction now. Johnson or Corbyn, what a choice to have.

[NotVeryMatureForAnOldLady]

Not in UK (coming back in time for Brexit, don't ask). Why is Corbyn so unpopular with seemingly his own party and labour voters?
I agree that doing a u-turn on his personal beliefs wrt EU is dodgy as and I personally would prefer to see and would vote for Tom Watson in charge, but surely Corbyn's main ideology of wanting to undo tory policies that exploit the weak and working classes is what the Labour Party should be about? (new labour always seemed tory lite to me. I would have liked to have seen how John Smith would have led the government, bless his soul).
Genuine question - not trying to be goady I promise, keen to catch up/learn from women who might have voted Labour in the past but cannot now as they cannot stomach JC.

[hiphopchick]

@WarmthAndDepth

What are you talking about!? JC is not keeping the Tories in power. How fanciful.

Errrrm yes it IS.

Wake up and smell the tofu!

Corbyn is the EXACT reason that the bloody Tories are in power (STILL!) And they will remain in power until Corbyn has fucked off!

[Thymeout]

We have to maximise the chances of the HoC voting NC in Johnson and accepting a temporary govt. It's going to be difficult enough as it is for Tories to vote against their own leader. Many will have hell to pay from their local associations.

We need a leader with no skin in the game, non-tribal, respected across the House - AND with the general public, whatever their political views.

Corbyn fails on all those qualifications. He's the least popular Labour leader EVER. Most people don't respect him or trust him and putting him in charge gives the pro-Brexit camp an open goal. It makes it more unlikely that middle of the road anti-No Deal Tory MPs will put their careers on the line to vote NC in Johnson, if that makes Corbyn PM, for however short a time.

I think the best person would be Ken Clarke. Father of the House. Pro-Eu credentials throughout his career. Probably would have retired by now if not for the Brexit crisis. No one would be able to accuse him of ulterior motives, using the position to grab power or get political advantage.

[artio0]

I don't agree with everything JC does / says but I'd be unbelievably relieved if he ended up PM. The whole antisemitism story is a ridiculous smear campaign by right wing media outlets who are scared their rich friends actually would have to pay their fair share of taxes if he got in. There's plenty of evidence of him actively supporting the Jewish community, and of leaders of Jewish communities supporting him, more than you'll find of any Tory but that never makes the front pages, and he's worked hard to fight racism, fascism and antisemitism his whole life.

He has been the most successful Labour leader in a long time if you look at Labour member numbers, and he's been elected by them twice despite constant media smears, so to say it's his fault that the Tories are in or that he doesn't represent Labour voters seems a bit odd to me.

[MyFokMarelize]

I am one of the 'Politically Homeless' at the moment as I suspect are many of us here.

This is the truest thing ever -

Corbyn is the EXACT reason that the bloody Tories are in power (STILL!) And they will remain in power until Corbyn has fucked off!

I wish the bloody Labour Party had someone monitoring the big forums like this one. They might read and digest this comment.

[Yaflamingalah]

Rather JC than Mr Johnson. I like him and totally respect his track record.

And what a track record! Ardent Eurosceptic (until about a year ago), terrorist sympathiser, number one fan of Venezuelan style politics, anti semetic. Yep - he's a top bloke!

[artio0]

@Thymeout If you separate Corbyn from his views they are vastly supported by the British public and his suggested policies are implemented successfully in many European countries. It's the media running smear campaign after smear campaign that has people thinking they hate his policies. We don't need another Labour leader, we need a free and independent press and a well informed electorate.

[artio0]

@Yaflamingalah I haven't seen him campaign against the EU since he has been elected Labour leader four years ago because as we know most Labour voters are remain so for him to put his personal views on it behind the will of the Labour electorate seems the right thing to do to me.

The whole terrorist sympathiser rhetoric seems very far-fetched to me. Taking part in successful peace talks in Northern Ireland is far from sympathising with a terrorist. What would be the alternative?

[Yaflamingalah]

as we know most Labour voters are remain
Where is your evidence for that because it simply isn't true.

Taking part in successful peace talks in Northern Ireland is far from sympathising with a terrorist.
This is an interesting little piece - it seems that Corbyn's relationship with the IRA was enough for the police to investigate...
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/corbyns-links-to-proira-group-were-investigated-by-the-police-37230971.html

[Thymeout]

artio

I've nothing new to add to what I've already written. See previous posts.

But what is your evidence that Corbyn's views are vastly supported by the British public?

The only Jewish groups that support Corbyn are JLM and Jewdas. Both of which represent a tiny minority of Jews and are hostile to the mainstream majority organisations - the Board of Deputies and JLM - who do believe that Corbyn is running an institutionally anti-semitic party and have referred the matter to the ECHR. They have found sufficient evidence to conduct an investigation.

This is a Big Deal - and saying 'it's all a smear, orchestrated by the right-wing MSM' makes you part of the problem.

It's the number of Labour voters that counts, not the number of members. And nearly half of both think Corbyn is doing a crap job. We need people who voted for the Tories or the SNP last time to vote Labour before we have any chance of winning a GE. Fat chance under Corbyn.

[noblegiraffe]

I think the best person would be Ken Clarke. Father of the House. Pro-Eu credentials throughout his career.

Has Ken Clarke actually stepped up though? Until someone else steps up and says they’ll do it, Corbyn is it.

I don’t think it needs to be a pro-remainer, just an anti-No-Dealer. JC wants a GE so there’s no reason to suspect he wouldn’t call for one?

[Peanutbuttericecream]

Utterly ridiculous idea.

[ShatteredBrianne]

Agree with @artio0, the antisemitism is a smear.

[noblegiraffe]

So the people who think it’s a ridiculous idea are happy for Boris Johnson to barrel into No-Deal?

If not, what’s your alternative plan?

[SeaWitchly]

Much, much better than BoJo the clown.

[malificent7]

Didnt Corbyn draw up the Good Friday agreement which is now in jeapordy due to Brexit. He's not pro terroist...he's pro negotiation imo.

[Yaflamingalah]

Didnt Corbyn draw up the Good Friday agreement which is now in jeapordy due to Brexit. He's not pro terroist...he's pro negotiation imo.

This might be the best thing I've ever heard JC couldn't draw together a paper bag.
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/101611/good-friday-agreement-architect-lord-trimble-takes

[TowelNumber42]

Even if anti-semitism is a smear, the way he has handled it is pathetically bad. How would he handle a proper crisis if he can't even deal with this? I have no faith in him.

In these situations JC reminds me of John Cleese in the Life of Brian sketch where they are voting on resolutions instead of taking immediately necessary action.

"Something's happening Reg! Don't you understand! Something's actually happening!"

[ShatteredBrianne]

The right wing rags have scared every day people into thinking socialism is a bad idea. I wonder why that would be....

[ShatteredBrianne]

Theres racism in the Tory party which is documented. How have any of them handled it?

Biased much? Can't have it one rule for one and another for the rest.

[NotDavidTennant]

Didnt Corbyn draw up the Good Friday agreement

I'm assuming this is meant to be satire.

[noblegiraffe]

The problem is that Boris Johnson is apparently determined to drag us into No-Deal, which would be catastrophic for Britain.

So to get rid of him as Prime Minister, parliament needs to hold a vote of no-confidence in the government.

Boris Johnson then calls a General Election for 1st November. By which point we’ll have exited the EU with No Deal and it will be too late for anyone to fix.

UNLESS someone goes to the Queen and says they command the confidence of parliament and ask to form a government after the no-confidence vote in Johnson.

This peron’s only job would be to ask for an extension to Article 50 before calling the election, thus avoiding crashing out with No Deal on 31st Oct.