How does Jeremy Corbin justify knowing that people will never vote for his party as long as he’s heading it… but he will never leave?

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I’m not debating whether people are right to dislike him or not BUT fairly or not he is pretty universally loathed which makes him a bit like being a 3 legged horse at the Derby.

If you're running a party, company, or country people have got to like you or at least deeply respect your talents and if neither is there surely the decent thing is to step aside.

For the life of me I can’t get my head around how anyone could keep doing this to a country they say they love. AIBU?

You can say if Corbyn stood down, Labour would be more popular, but all that really means is a return to a middle of the road labour party.

I’d rather a middle of the road Labour Party who were electable than the Tories right now.

I was always a Labour voter. But Corbyn's seeming antipathy to the anti semitism in the party and their stance on self ID means I would never vote for them again unless there was a radical about face on certain issues and behaviours.

I highly doubt that "Tory trolls" would be making a thread about how Corbyn should stand down. It suits the Tory party down to the ground that the opposition has such a terrible leader and they want him on.llace as long as possible to keep the Labour party unelectable. Most of us want him to go because we are desperate to get rid of the Tory government and have no chance with him in charge!

that really means is a return to a middle of the road labour party.

Would this be a bad thing?

Corbyn helped to reset the Labour party from New Labour. I do believe that he's probably had his day but I'll vote Labour because it represents what I believe. I'm voting for the party not the person.

Notthebloodymustardcushion can you explain which Orwell novel you are referring to and reference the similarities between said novel and the Labour manifesto?

Work for the NHS because I believe the work I do is valuable to society and accept that I shall never be a high earner

I have no savings whatsoever and even if I did would not try to avoid paying tax

I have not and will not vote Tory

But still loathe Corbyn and more so that under his leadership the party has been the poorest opposition party I have known and that the Tories will win the next election

But yay Labour is to the left so all is good for some they can sit about complaining and hating the Tories yawn yawn while planing the revolution - not actually doing anything of use to society in the slightest

the most genuine, kind-hearted, community-focused, most honest politician

Remember when Labour hired a top law firm for £££ to enforce gagging orders against ex-employees? It was only a month ago.

Most of us want him to go because we are desperate to get rid of the Tory government and have no chance with him in charge!

Not sure I'm a fan of this sort of rhetoric or convinced that is a good reason to vote. All that means is that parties don't really have a clear message. You just get this vanilla, -all things to all people party - that ends up pleasing everyone and no one. Sone of the policies of New labour in their bid to be all things, were very detrimental to the working classes who stopped voting for them. I remember 'Regeneration' and its results for eg.

You should vote because you agree with the aims and manifesto of the party, not just as a means to get one party out. It's interesting that there are many people who say the Conservative party aren't really Conservative, and have defected to more right wing parties. I think while the average person may not be too bothered, the current polarisation we're experiencing is because people feel that none of the mainstream parties really stand for anything or have a strong message or interesting ideas. I think this partly explains Nigel Farage's success. I force myself to listen to him and I know he may be talking shite, BUT, I know exactly what he represents and what he stands for. The message is clear and simple and pure and doesn't require difficulty thinking about.

You just get this vanilla, -all things to all people party - that ends up pleasing everyone and no one

Isn’t that exactly Labour’s Brexit stance?

SciFi I agree...I would vote labour but not while 2 Marxists, momentum and Len McClusky would be running the country into the ground

nothebloodymustardcushion

Agree with everything you say. It’s McDonnell running the show and what he said about putting opposition voters in prison should send chills down everyone’s spine.

Yeah, SummerWhisper. Corbyn is genuine and honest - except for all the times he lies and breaks promises. He's kind-hearted - except for all the times he's lunged at female journos or uses racist slurs against Jewish people. Community minded - if there's a good photo-op in it, otherwise he is invisible. What a joke!

What I really don't get is all the 'I luffs Corbyn' that (very, very few) people spout. He's just some grubby old career politician who's had his snout in the trough for nearly 40 years with nothing to show for it except a significantly lower than average voting attendance and a now almost non-existent constituent response rate and s significantly higher than average expenses claim record, as shown on 'they work for you' etc. Why would you love him? That's a bit weird. And no, he isn't loved in Liverpool.

I'm sick of hearing about how much he cares for that amorphous blob he calls the poor. Is that why all the Tory benefit cuts and freezes were kept in the 2017 manifesto? Being at the sharp end myself, as a full-time carer on CA and UC top-up, I find it unfathomable that a potential Labour administration would merrily run with the vile Tory attacks on the poorest people in our society.

I will say that no, I don't hate him. I just find him pathetic. Often it's like he's trolling us. Look at the other week when there were questions about how compos mentis he is and what does he do? He locks his wife in the porch! He just needs to go. What a disappointment.

I'm sick of hearing about how much he cares for that amorphous blob he calls the poor. Is that why all the Tory benefit cuts and freezes were kept in the 2017 manifesto?

A centre ground Labour party would do no better in that regard.

YANBU. Monumentally selfish and crap at his job.

A lot of people seem to have an ability to kid themselves. I guess he thinks he can win people around, when really all he is doing is prolonging the Tory government.

I’ve lost faith in all of the party leaders to be honest. Self-serving & irresponsible to the last.

A scum party, led my complete idiots.
God help us all if these nutters ever got in.

Yes I did have to chortle when I heard they were using carter ruck - well know for being the firm the powerful go to when they want to gag the little guys

SummerWhisper

Could you write a more ‘student politics’ cliches divisive load of old rubbish if you tried?

Corby is a joke, he is hated by the rich and the poor alike, as a result of being a racist, terrorist sympathiser who hates things like the monarchy and has shown support for the IRA. If it’s only the 1% who fear him then what’s the problem, everyone over 18 can vote in this country. It’s the mark of the weakness of your position that you accuse those who dare disagree with you of being trolls. Corbyn is the troll, he is an disruptive agitator who has never achieved anything other than voting with the Tories 650 times, wrecking labour and allowing it to be infiltrated by ineffective Marxist wannabes, allowing a likely hard Brexit by refusing to back the least bad option, allowing blatant racism to fester in his party, losing a general election, and allowing the worst Tory leadership/ government ever to stay in office.

Notthebloodymustardcushion can you explain which Orwell novel you are referring to

I’m guessing Animal Farm which was about communism, which is the political ideology that Corbyn, McDonnel and Abbot subscribe to. Proof?, I hear you say. Google McDonnel secretly filmed saying he is a Marxist, or pictures of him and Corbyn standing under pictures of Stalin and Mao at rally’s, or McDonnel Reading from Mao’s red book in U.K. parliament, or Abbot defending Mao on TV in a program with Portillo saying that Mao was on balance, a force for good. This is a man who murdered and starved tens of millions of his countrymen, women and children.

Going back to the OP as opposed to a debate about the merits or demerits of JC, I guess it’s because he surrounds himself with yes men. I doubt if he has anyone in his inner circle who actually says to him: look Jeremy, you’ve got no chance atm of appealing to the floating voter, and thereby getting into power, so maybe we need a rethink.

He reminds me of the union guys who used to go to number ten in the seventies for tea and sandwiches. They had power within their own power base but would never appeal to middle England.

It’s very sad because he seems to think the Labour Party is better off with him in charge even though he has no chance of being PM, than someone else in charge who might have a chance.

Meanwhile the country suffers desperately from a distinct lack of credible opposition.

You could ask the same about Ed Miliband or Gordon Brown. I think being made public enemy number one is something any Labour leader is going to have try to negotiate.

^this, don't believe everything you read

and fix your bloody thread title.

Yes, Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown.

So does this mean that unless the Labour Party moves more to the centre, it generally doesn’t get voted in in this country?

And if so, isn’t a more to the centre Labour Party better than a Tory government?

Or even better IMO, a cross party coalition opposing the Tories.

The fact that the Labour Party refuses to countenance this kind of working together is deeply upsetting, and testament to the fact that IMO they care more about their own party and purist ideals, than they do about the country. Like the Tories.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook Who do you think put in the social improvements and funding the Tories have cut? It wasn't Thatcher ...

England is naturally conservative - sheer weight of numbers over the more socialist scotland and wales means that a left of centre government is very unlikely to get in