How does Jeremy Corbin justify knowing that people will never vote for his party as long as he’s heading it… but he will never leave?

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I’m not debating whether people are right to dislike him or not BUT fairly or not he is pretty universally loathed which makes him a bit like being a 3 legged horse at the Derby.

If you're running a party, company, or country people have got to like you or at least deeply respect your talents and if neither is there surely the decent thing is to step aside.

For the life of me I can’t get my head around how anyone could keep doing this to a country they say they love. AIBU?

As I understand it he has voted against his party’s whip more than any other MP! You do understand that means he has been voting with the Conservatives

What utter tosh no it does t mean that at all!

Yeah dadshere accuse us all of being trolls. It would be convenient if we were all sock puppets, but we're actually normal UK voters with half a brain in their head. We can see that if he fails to bring together his own party, oppose the government effectively, present his vision to the public on a regular basis - he is not up to the job. Plus letting his indecision cause major problems for his party.

Both main parties are utterly consumed with their own internal splits while failing to manage one of the biggest changes the country has faced in recent years. Who is there to vote for??

Tory lite

haven’t heard that term for a while

And Tories have always had a low party membership in comparison and funny enough Labour’s wasn’t that high when they won THREE consecutive general elections

It means fuck all well no that is wrong it means that Momentum have control over he party and that Labour shall not win an election while this is the case

He's totally ineffectual. He has provided no decent Opposition leadership at a time when we have had one of the worst, most shambolic governments in living memory. Theresa May was pretty weak at the despatch box during PMQs and he STILL almost never in three years got the better of her.

Almost every Labour voter I know say they don't want him and some have left the party after decades and joined the Lib Dems solely because of his lack of LEADERSHIP at a time of national crisis. The official Opposition are not opposing properly and a shambolic government has got away with stuff because of that lack of opposition.

I make no comment on him personally or what he stands for. I merely talk about whether he is a good leader and clearly he is not.

I know people who have been lifelong staunch labour voters and have vowed never to vote labour again. Labour have been ineffective as the opposition, have no clear stance on brexit (and many of the northern labour voters voted leave) I think labour in power would be an economic disaster for our country.

He should realise his time is up and step down. Now is the time for strong, active, coherent opposition and a Labour leader with wide appeal. He’s holding on to further his own extreme views and not doing what’s in the best interest of the Labour Party.

funny how worried the Tory and tory-lite parties are SO worried about what a bad job JC is doing. You would think that a terrible opposition would be something to rejoice in,yet it almost seems like they are worried about him getting into power

What s spectacularly dim-witted comment.

I have never voted Tory. I’m disappointed in JC because I desperately want the Left to put forward a viable opposition to the worst government in living memory. Unfortunately they are unable to do so.

The argument that ‘criticising JC means you’re a Tory troll who is terrified of him’ is an incredibly weak one and makes you look very foolish.

I love that he's labour leader makes them unelectable long may it continue

I like Corbyn and so do many people I know who are passionate about his policies and desperate to rid the country of the Tories. We will all be voting Labour in the next GE.

he is pretty universally loathed

He's not. Yesterday he got a flight and met some Celtic supporters. The supporters invited him to a match and he went.

That's not a man that's loathed, is it?

He. Makes the Labour Party unelectable. He has a very unattractive arrogance and seems to be very accident prone. I’d definitely vote labour in the next general election if it weren’t for him. I cannot see him as PM.

Yep, the man is loathed:

I know several people who either left the Labour party or will not vote for them whilst Corbyn is leader. It's been blindingly obvious from day one that he doesn't have the wider popularity that is needed to win votes from floaters or other parties. People don't just vote on policies. Why do you think Johnson so carefully cultivates his 'buffoon' image? It's because he knows it works to get people on his side.
Corbyn is incredibly ineffectual as a Leader of the Opposition. He just isn't present most of the time - he should be everywhere right now calling out Johnson's blatant lies, but he's not. He's popped off to Romania to watch the footie.

If boris had a soul he would exchange it in a heartbeat for that kind of loathing, ditto ANY other Tory. Keep up the hatred it ain't going to work.

Er dads, don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Boris Johnson is PM and the Tories are in power, so why would they be jealous of JC?

I always suspect threads like this are trolls or are paid for surveys. However, just to correct you, Jeremy Corbyn is not universally loathed. He is, however, loathed by people who want to keep offshoring their taxes while benefitting from the public services that our taxes pay for. He is loathed by people who don't believe in public ownership of assets such as health, education, transport and utilities, likely because they have stakeholder shares in them. He is loathed by people who don't believe in community wealth building, likely because they are profiteering and exploitative business owners, landowners or landlords. Frankly, if you are not in the 1% of rising millionaires, billionaires and trillionaires who loathe him because he is out to put an end to their corrupt, imperialist, money laundering offshore activities that detract from society rather than add to it, as the 99% of us do through our taxes,, then you are a tool. And one more thing: so often people complain that "politicians are all the same, they are corrupt, they lie, they cheat their expenses, they steal, they can't be trusted" and along comes the most genuine, kind-hearted, community-focused, most honest politician who wants everybody to have a share of the wealth that we produce through our own labour and the froth brigade are like "oh he's loathesome isn't he?". Wake up.

I can't bear Corbyn and I don't like what the Labour Party is becoming. I am very centrist and pro EU and have been very disappointed with the quality of the opposition.

I would have liked to see Labour represent the original 48% and given us a voice. They have allowed this narrative to emerge that everyone who votes for the two main parties is pro Brexit

It’s the intransigence that is keeping us, as a country, where we are.

It wouldn’t take a lot of effort for all opposition parties to work together, but party dogma - particularly from the Labour Party - prevents this.

They are all fiddling while Rome burns, and we are the ones who will pay.

Summer he’s also loathed by plenty of people who aren’t rich or Tory.

Remainers who are totally pissed off by his support for Brexit, for example.

Good luck to all who espouse the trolls argument. It doesn’t wash, and serves merely to shut down debate and render many people voiceless.

Very well put indeed, Summer Whisperer!
What they said.

Fabulous post SummerWhisper. Perfectly explained.

@SummerWhisper

I quite like my share of my wealth. Not a millionaire by any stretch of the imagination but quite comfortable. Go on holidays, drive nice cars, live a good life.

I'd like to stay that way.

If Jeremy gets in, I won't.

That is the equation for the majority of the floating voters he needs to entice to vote for him and his party if he to win an election.

Going from 75% popularity to 95% in his stronghold is not going to get him into number 10 if he scares away the voters he needs.

Not a supporter of anyone these days im too cynical, but there's no loathing of Corbyn here in my house either. This 'universal loathing' has been a very well designed and manufactured product of our universally right wing, corporate fornicating press/media. So much so it makes me think Corbyn must truly be a decent chap, to garner such hatred.

They were stunned at the last election the Corbyn bashing has been sooo overplayed that more and more people now prefer alternative media and have switched off. I honestly have a filter now that just tunes out most of the mainstream political discourse in this country. Ask yourself with all this media and supposedly sincere journalism we have Brexit and Boris in charge.

You can say if Corbyn stood down, Labour would be more popular, but all that really means is a return to a middle of the road labour party. Anyone truly left would be equally villified.

I’m a floating voter, but would never vote for Labour Momentum in its current manifestation. Corbyn is nothing more than McDonnell’s puppet, and McDonnell is a man who sends genuine chills down my spine. Vote for Corbyn, actually gets you Mcdonnell running the show... have a good hard think and do some research into that man and his ideologies before you put your X in the box for Corbyn.

Personally, I will take Boris the Buffoon, 100 million times over, before voting myself and future generations into a George Orwell Novel.