How does Jeremy Corbin justify knowing that people will never vote for his party as long as he’s heading it… but he will never leave?

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I’m not debating whether people are right to dislike him or not BUT fairly or not he is pretty universally loathed which makes him a bit like being a 3 legged horse at the Derby.

If you're running a party, company, or country people have got to like you or at least deeply respect your talents and if neither is there surely the decent thing is to step aside.

For the life of me I can’t get my head around how anyone could keep doing this to a country they say they love. AIBU?

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Corbyn only engages with one side on the argument that is the one that is anti British or US government what Israeli Jewish parties has he had peace talks with

This is a man who held a meeting with convicted IRA terrorists in the HOP just a few weeks after the Brighton Bombing - a colleague across the house had been murdered along with others it was utterly disgraceful he should have been kicked out of the party then but was seen as too insignificant to bother dealing with as there were far bigger issues going on

What Miaowing said.

And also what colourlessgreenidea said.

We desperately need an electable alternative to the Tories. Corbyn isn't that.

Oh and@ holidayquestion1 what's bad about a fucking blairite government if it gets Labour in to power? I seriously think this must be a pisstake. Not remember the massive fucking war that happened.

Clearly I am not referring to Iraq, but to Blair’s ability to get into power as many times as he did. In a country dominated by a right wing lying press.

Iraq is a separate issue and it does not follow that another Blairite type would take us into an illegal war. Obviously.

When your children come to you and ask you why this country has such a massive divide between the rich and the poor, there are no opportunities for working class young people and they have to pay for all their health care make sure you tell them its because corbyn wore a bad suit...

This is fairly offensive, but I guess that, instead of debate, is the name of the game.

I have never voted Tory and never will. It does not follow that I have to like Corbyn or the Labour Party’s utter inability to do anything about the Brexit mess we are in.

I would vote Labour to keep the Tories out, but I don’t have to as my constituency is firmly Labour. However, I will be voting for one of the smaller remain parties at the next GE.

Elections are won by collecting votes from floating voters. Therefore the leader should be not an extremist (either left or right) and a fairly reasonable well mannered, widely appealing individual. I personally don’t think JC has wide appeal and he is pretty extreme.

no leader has lost his first election then won his second election seems very unlikely corbyn will change that history

Elections are lost not won....

Never hear the establishment are scared of Corbyn anymore

Or much about the Establishment - maybe he is bumping them off

The problem is Jeremy listens to momentum and party members and fails to understand most labour voters are neither.

And has sat twiddling his thumbs while the Conservatives have inflicted savage cuts on the people Labour are supposed to represent. Whipping his MPs to abstain in crucial votes, bawling for Article 50, getting an arse full of splinters from being on the fence.

This is the weakest Opposition I have ever seen, and I'm no spring chicken.

Labour did pretty terribly in recent elections and is trailing in the polls. All this at a time when the government is tearing itself apart. Its a bit like someone putting a football one meter in front of the net, sending the goalie off for a cup of tea and then somehow, somehow managing to miss scoring that goal. If you measure the success of a political leader as someone who brings their party together to achieve electoral victory and implement party policy, he is a spectacularly bad leader despite his cheerleaders on this thread.

I can’t understand anyone thinking he is a good leader or even remotely competent. People on here saying he sticks up for working class people? As I understand it he has voted against his party’s whip more than any other MP! You do understand that means he has been voting with the Conservatives. A disgusting hypocrite who can’t run a bath let alone the country

Corbyn has the lowest approval rating ever recorded. Even among Lab members, 46% think he's doing a bad job. Nearly half of those who voted Lab in 2017, say they will be voting for a different party next time.

Why is he still there? Because taking over the Party is more important than winning a GE. They haven't finished yet. Still got to clear out the PLP of any MP with a mind of their own who doesn't think Corbyn walks on water.

Where is he, by the way? McDonnell's just changed LP policy on the hoof about another IndyRef for Scotland, throwing Scottish Lab MPs under the bus - and not a peep.

He’s not a leader. And to those saying it’s policies not personality that matter, you need to understand that’s a crucial failing. The pressure of the job of being PM is immense. The detail you have to absorb, the importance of the decisions you have to take - there is no job like it. Corbyn, aside from the political problems, is clearly and obviously not up to it.

Considering McDonnell has just said that they will bring out a law to put every Tory in prison, I’m surprised that people are bragging about Labours policies

I'm surprised anyone thinks Labour will get in next time? Seriously.
I don't want to vote for anyone. I'm turned off by them ALL!!

Since brexit is the issue for most people at the minute, his sitting on the fence means that they won't get votes from either side.

Whatever people think of Corbyn (personally not much), that on its own will prevent labour winning.

If you are a party leader you can be in a bubble and not realise the thoughts of the wider world (country or electorate). Jeremy Corbyn is not the first in such a position I am sure.

Voted for Labour in 2017. I DID NOT vote because I liked Corbyn. I voted because it was more important for me to keep Tories our due to Brexit.

I will not make that mistake again. If we No Deal then I will never vote Labour again as they have basically supported the Tories every step of the way by being a weak incompetent opposition and most of the blame falls at Corbyn’s door.

I live in a ‘Bell Weather’ seat I think it’s called? I cannot see Labour winning the seat here and I can see the Tory MP getting back in when though he is very much disliked. (I won’t vote for him though)

Corbyn doesn’t want to engage with others who do not share his opinions

That is something you have to do as a successful party leader as you represent a large number of people that will have differing views not just mix with those what boost your ego

I see good old John is spouting rubbish again 😆😆😆 can rely on him for that. At least he actually visible. Where is Jeremy meeting like minded friends in South America to sit around and discuss and agree how wonderful socialism is

I know lots of people who love him, I quite like him myself too so I wouldn’t say he’s ‘universally loathed’ at all. The only people I know who loathe him are Tory voters.

Gosh, its amazing to see people saying, well lots of people like him because I know people who like him. Just look at the polls! the current government are a complete shambles, made a monumental mess of things. Labour should be miles ahead in the polls. yet JC's complete lack of leadership and clarity means they are not. His poll ratings are terrible, especially considering what he's being compared with in the Tory party.

Face it, he is a terrible leader.

Oh look another crackpot, Jeremy Corbyn thread. The trolls are out in force again, funny how worried the Tory and tory-lite parties are SO worried about what a bad job JC is doing. You would think that a terrible opposition would be something to rejoice in,yet it almost seems like they are worried about him getting into power. What with him leading the largest political party in Europe. No matter how many MN trolls post anti-JC/Labour posts he will be the PM. Suck it up trolls.

Pinkout - I was a labour voter until Corbyn came along.

But if we are talking anecdote - the only person I know in real life who is an enthusiastic Corbyn supporter also things that the Media is controlled by Jews...

Dads if you’re thinking it’s strange that ‘Tory trolls’ are worried about JC doing a bad job, then the obvious conclusion is that it’s not Tory trolls but people who are very much not Tory who are looking for someone to stand up to them and potentially get them out and instead have found an unelectable stubborn old man on the other side of the Commons.

Dadshere - that'll be the largest party in terms of members, not in terms of predicted voters, right? And its the voters you need to get elected, right?

the only reason Labour have a hope of getting in is because their opposition have imploded and been utterly incompetent. Not because their is mass enthusiastic support for JC and Labour. You are deluded if you call scraping into power because of the dog's bollocks the government has made of things, a measure of JC's success and popularity. If he gets in its because the Tories have been shite, not because he has been successful.

I have always been a Labour voter and party member for years

I dislike him immensely and the only ither people I know that loathe him equally are other ex labour voters

Why would Tories dislike him they know they are safe in power while he leads the Labour Party and that they don’t have an opposition that’s of any challenge - just as well as they themselves are split that will change once a GE is called