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People who have never experienced being in family court

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SavanahXx · 02/08/2019 23:40

It really does my head in when people side with social services. They have an opinion that "they are just doing what's best for the child". These people that have the opinion mostly have never even had involvement with SS, therefore don't see the lies and manipulation of a situation that they use.

It's easy for them to say that a parent 'could pose a risk' but do you know how hard it is to prove you wouldn't?

I seen an utterly revolting article that really baffled me. Social workers manage to get away with this stuff daily. Yet its not reported as it should be. This child was removed, with a judges permission. Then placed back with the mother by another judge.
There is so much corruption in our society and it needs to change.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/13/social-worker-criticised-child-taken-away-mother-refused-give/amp/

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:35

Also. If we took it to a final hearing. DD would of still been under an interim care order meaning that would of kept us in the foster placement. It was better for everyone all round if I didn't listen to the judges advice

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ralphfromlordoftheflies · 07/08/2019 20:35

Hope this helps Wink

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:37

It was an IRH you know. If everyone is in agreement. That's what happens? That's what happens at a IRH. IT WASNT A FINAL HEARING.

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TwoPupsandaHamster · 07/08/2019 20:37

@TwoPupsandaHamsterare you dyslexic? Do you not understand? A supervision order is not a care order. It's to advice, befriend and assist. It didnt keep me in the placement as you like to say. You are extremely stupid. You claim to have been to been to many CPH yet don't even understand the basics

Savannah are you hard of thinking? Not once have I mentioned Care Orders or Supervision Orders. No way on this Earth did any Judge allow you to take up a foster placement if there was no need. Get a life and leave Child Protection Services to those who really need it.

You are an absolute fool for thinking people will be sucked in with your ridiculous account of CPS!

NotMyPuppy · 07/08/2019 20:40

Yes but the judge doesn’t have jurisdiction/power to make a supervision order unless threshold is met, as set out in ralph’s last post. I suppose a judge might privately wonder if threshold is met but decide to just give effect to the agreement for a supervision order but I doubt he literally stated that he didn’t have the power to make it but was going to anyway, which is what you’re describing amount to.

ralphfromlordoftheflies · 07/08/2019 20:40

If the case concluded it WAS a final hearing.

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:42

@TwoPupsandaHamster well you've added your own bit into this somewhere along the lines 1) at the first hearing the judge granted the interim care order. That enables the SS to chose where my child lives. Therefore they placed us in a foster placement 2)at the second hearing the judge ordered that I shouldnt be in that placement and that they needed to move me. They didn't. Even though I pestered them about this. 3) at the IRH. The SS wanted a supervision order. I agreed prior and we worked out and agreement (that took around two and a half hours. When we went into the court room the SS barrister told the judge they wanted the supervision order. The judge said we didn't need one. My solicitor stood up and explained we wanted to do a voluntary supervision order.

WHERE IN THAT HAVE YOU GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT I ASKED THE JUDGE TO KEEP US AR THE PLACEMENT YOU ABSOLUTE WEAPON.

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:44

IN*

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auntethel · 07/08/2019 20:44

Taco, Nick, TwoPups, Notmypuppy, jellycats All professionals, all working with children. There's been posters talking about their traumatised children, rape, stillborns, miscarriages, injustice. And you haven't answered /empathised with even one of them, not even one of your own sidekicks who devastatingly, has had two stillborn babies. Your sole purpose on this thread has been to talk to a young girl with a baby like absolute shit. Well, you've done our job for us. Watchers, voters,
would you want these people anywhere near your children. This IS the real face of child protection!!

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:49

@NotMyPuppy of course it wasn't the judge who said he didn't have the power. Both my solicitor and my OH'S solicitor said if you are in disagreement today no matter what it will have to go to a final hearing because the judge doesn't have the power to make a decision against the SS or the parents until you all give your own evidence at a final hearing. I didnt want to disagree and 1)have problems in the future and 2)keep my DD and me in a foster placement. When the judge said "you know the parents don't need one don't you" when we came out, my solicitor said "if you would of just gone to final hearing. There would of been no order. But the wait would of been nearly 3 month till he was next available.

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auntethel · 07/08/2019 20:50

And for those of you who have children of your own (about teenage age and upwards) you should show them this thread and see how proud they are of you. Better still, show your employers.

Nicknacky · 07/08/2019 20:51

ethel Twist what you want, carry on. A poster having a stillborn child, as tragic as that is, has nothing to do with my job or my ability to do my job well.

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:52

@auntethel for the win 🙌🙌🙌 the real face of our child protection services. 🤔👌

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Nicknacky · 07/08/2019 20:52

And now there are several posters with extensive knowledge and experience in this field. And still the OP will argue the toss with them as will ethel.

auntethel · 07/08/2019 20:53

Savanah, Savanah, leave it. They have done our job for us. Grin They're all involved in child protection and they have shown their true colours.

Nicknacky · 07/08/2019 20:54

And for the avoidance of doubt, I don’t work in child protection.

I do however refer children who’s parents are accused of violent crime and I’m concerned for their welfare. Like the OP’s situation.

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SavanahXx · 07/08/2019 20:56

Just because you're in the field doesn't mean you do your job correctly. Just like a barmaid can be a barmaid and be servilely shit at it. She could have minimal knowledge in it. Or be really crap. But when you need the staff, you'll employ anyone 👌

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ralphfromlordoftheflies · 07/08/2019 20:57

@SavanahXx and @auntethel, reading this thread is like watching grown ups trying to reason with hormonal, stroppy teenagers. In case it isn't clear, the two of you are the teens. Your 'winning speech' is very embarrassing.

auntethel · 07/08/2019 20:57

Who, watching this thread would want these "professionals" ANYWHERE near their families? And watchers, THIS is what we're talking about. Stay right away from them, for yours and your families safety.

Nicknacky · 07/08/2019 20:59

To be fair I hope most people don’t need my services and would stay away from me!

NotMyPuppy · 07/08/2019 21:00

I have barely posted on the thread and haven’t spoken to anyone like shit. I have tried to correct the misleading impression that has been given, and am entirely untroubled by your ridiculous attack, as will be the many families I have helped down the years. As you’re clearly trying to be provocative I won’t respond further.

auntethel · 07/08/2019 21:01

And Nick, a police officer!!! Nick, have a look at your posts and show it your boss in the morning. I dare ya??

Nicknacky · 07/08/2019 21:04

ethel For a start my boss would think I would be pretty weird if I did that, and I have nothing to fear professionally. I haven’t name called or said anything which would have an impact at work. You are really starting to sound unhinged.

auntethel · 07/08/2019 21:05

Btw, Savanah, how old are you?

Inliverpool1 · 07/08/2019 21:07

I realise the thread has moved on massively but my personal experience of SS is that it’s incredibly easy for them to become involved in your nice little middle class family. One of my children complained I’d forced her to shower to a teacher, correct I had. This then involved a visit. During the visit, the list of their complaints not limited to but the highlights ;
My bathroom was very small ... rented house wtf am I meant to do about that.
I was dressed in sports clothes and drinking a juice, my daughter had an exercise schedule printed from David Lloyd and therefore they needed to “keep an eye” on that. This from a fat arsed SW who’d clearly never seen the inside of a gym and was doing herself more damage than DD could ever dream of with exercise.

That ex DH didn’t have suitable overnight accommodation to host the children in - now I had no sympathy for him as he created all the drama and it backfired on him which I’m sure he wasn’t expecting - but given he didn’t have the children overnight what was the point of raising that in a report.

All of this was voluntarily (yeah right imagine if I’d said no) assessment.

Luckily I said yeah yeah I’ll bear that in mind and they fucked off but they had to find “something” to criticise once they were through the door.

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