People who have never experienced being in family court

[SavanahXx]

It really does my head in when people side with social services. They have an opinion that "they are just doing what's best for the child". These people that have the opinion mostly have never even had involvement with SS, therefore don't see the lies and manipulation of a situation that they use.

It's easy for them to say that a parent 'could pose a risk' but do you know how hard it is to prove you wouldn't?

I seen an utterly revolting article that really baffled me. Social workers manage to get away with this stuff daily. Yet its not reported as it should be. This child was removed, with a judges permission. Then placed back with the mother by another judge.
There is so much corruption in our society and it needs to change.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/13/social-worker-criticised-child-taken-away-mother-refused-give/amp/

Savannah when you say your DP was exonerated, was this 2 weeks before you gave birth (when SS intervention occurred) or during the family court proceedings?

Therefore Savanah your case is similar to mine where we were exonerated but case continued. Two Experts assessed and recommended it was the upmost importance that he stayed in that school and that parents were right not to move him. We thought now we are exonerated and the case will be closed. But no, same as you, even though now exonerated, case continued, loads of lies chucked in, care order granted. The guardian's job was to convey "the wishes and feelings of the child". No, didn't do that, just concentrated on whether WE had made the autism worse!!!! W T F. Even though the Experts said it was nothing to do with our parenting. And what the child's solicitor was there for, I have no idea. Maybe to make the tea? And you know the rest Savanah. Wrong schools, wrong placements, put at risk and others injured. Only allowed to see his family 6 times a year. You've had a very very lucky escape lass. Keep well away, but you know that don't you?

@auntethel fortunately the situation has been resolved for some time now but no thanks to any assistance from them.

There were failings on my part, I admit that, nothing catastrophic but little things that they twisted into huge insurmountable mountains. When I pointed this out and challenged them on it nothing was ever changed or done about it. I felt completely powerless to do anything because it was just my word against the 'professionals' and the SW who could just make things up and it would be taken as gospel whereas everything out of my mouth was ignored.

Their incompetence and inability to even get small, basic details right on paperwork strongly contributed to my rapist walking away without being charged.

I realise this is all based on one specific set of people and circumstances so I'm not suggesting they are all bad but my experiences were awful and it's such a coin toss. I will never get over the trauma they caused me and my family and suffer from PTSD now because of it.

I would never, ever ask for help from them ever again, unless I had absolutely no choice.

Sorry just re-read your posts, so the case actually went all the way to trial? Assuming the trial occurred after the birth, I’m interested to know what you think the best course of action social services could have taken with the information that they had when they started care proceedings? I am under no illusion that social services are perfect but if my partner had been charged with, for example, a serious violent/sexual offence shortly before I was due to give birth, an offence which would rightly deem him a risk to our child, I would fully expect social services to request that I voluntarily separate from him until further risk assessments/outcome of trial had taken place. Did they give you this option? I can of course see why you are aggrieved as your DP was innocent but they have to consider the needs and welfare of your child first and foremost. Of course if they did give you the option to voluntarily separate, and you refused, that only adds an extra concern that you would fail to protect your DC against harm from your DP. I assume that’s when they considered mother and baby unit/placement appropriate?

Taco sigh.... Show a bit of empathy. OP has had two miscarriages and then new baby threatened to be removed, when she and DP had done absolutely NOTHING. Her DD will be even more than pfb. Give her a break!

And that means she should be able to harp on about how she's a better parent than everyone else because...? I've had two stillborns(that's why I became a foster carer and then adopted). Doesn't mean I can go around and tell everyone else that I'm a better parent as I never buy myself a Starbucks just because my life has been a bit shit in the past🙄

children should be the centre of your universe. Sorry that mine is the centre of mine. And yours isn't. That's a shame.

See @auntethel how she is trying to nudge in still how much of a better parent she is?

OP it's quite idiotic to say that my child isn't the centre of my universe because I don't pander to their every want, and because I like to spend some money on a slice of cake for myself on a Wednesday when they're at school

Someone being found not guilty in a court case does not automatically mean that SS will not remove a child. A lower burden of evidence is required for SS cases than is necessary for a criminal case.

Also very strange how anyone with a dissenting opinion is a 'minion'. Minion of who?? The fucking babysnatchers? And when someone posts on the thread, they're 'harassing' you. Sounds like you can't handle a debate. You sound nuttier by the minute.

@Limitedsimba123 if you re read pp's I've said I understand why it was flagged up and why they started it. But as soon as he was found not guilty. They should of just stopped. Instead. To save face, they continued. Using lies instead. The judge didn't approve.

@auntethel they feel the need to never have to admit when they went over the top, while having no evidence, they come In like ranging bulls, never take your word for anything. They feel they will look stupid if they say "your honour, we have no need to continue, we got it wrong." It proves everything now, I have a new social worker now it not in court. Ive seen her 3 times and on the third time she said "well we want to re apply back to court to see if we can end the supervision order because it's pointless, there's no concerns, also never been any concerns from health visitors etc. It was just the horrible lying ones that wanted to cause problems. The new one is great 👌 (and when ever I've seen her. It's been for no longer than 10 minutes)

Says it all really.

@jennymanara the judge said they could not use it because it was mistaken identity. We lived in a tower block of flats. And alot of people would of fit OH's description. The judge dismissed it himself.

Today 00.48 I'm seriously beginning to wonder if some of these 'social workers ate my baby' wingnuts were actually suffering from something like Munchausens by Proxy at the time their DC were put into care Twelve hours following this disgusting, vitriolic attack Andrew Wakefield, chat chat chat WOW............... Is that some kind of personality change or what?...........

Any chance of a translation?

it was the upmost importance

Utmost, auntethel. We know how keen you are on correct spelling.

As Jenny points out though, they would still have had involvement even though he was found not guilty until they were satisfied that he posed no risk, due to the high burden of proof in criminal proceedings. Also, if you did refuse to voluntarily separate from him when first charged this would have unfortunately raised concerns over your parenting despite your DP eventually being found innocent, as on the face of it it would seem to social services that you did put your relationship with your DP above the welfare of your child at a stage when it wasn’t clear if your DP was a risk or not. Of course this is all regrettable when your DP was actually innocent and they have no other concerns but I fail to see what other option social services had at the time.

Sharkira You're very brave, that must have been difficult to write. This sounds a bit bland but I am so sorry. And isn't it sad that so many people don't feel able to ask for help from the services. That's what I was thinking when they suddenly changed us from a supported family to child protection, this is a service and we're being victimised by a service. We were so embroiled in the 'fight', we'd actually forgotten it was a service. I have PTSD too. The worst things for me are the panic attacks.

Savannah when you say your DP was exonerated, was this 2 weeks before you gave birth (when SS intervention occurred) or during the family court proceedings

OMG!😱 Don't ask questions.... Ethel nor Savanah want to answer direct questions..... They know the answers won't fit their agenda

Utmost,auntethel. We know how keen you are on correct spelling

Quite! 😂

All Ethel wants is for this post to reach 1,000 posts. She will see it then as 'job done' and she has spread the word about lies and corruption within SS. Poor, misinformed, deluded soul 😢

"well we want to re apply back to court to see if we can end the supervision order because it's pointless,
You won’t want to hear this but if there was a supervision order there was enough evidence to suggest that you wouldn’t voluntarily act to keep your child safe - or they simply would have placed them on the child protection register and put a support plan in place. You said previously that you had complied with the process and done everything you were asked to do, which clearly isn’t the case.

I can understand you not wanting to comply with measures you felt we’re unnecessary or that you disagreed with, but that does mean social workers will look for statutory intervention. From what I gather the concern wasn’t about your ability to care for your baby, but your willingness to stop your partner having access pending the investigation into allegations. If those allegations have been unfounded there’s no need for the supervision order because the risk it was there to address isn’t a risk any more, it doesn’t mean the risk never existed.

@jellycatspyjamas the judge said we didn't need to do it if we didn't want to, because there wasnt any evidence of anything they said.. we voluntarily did it so we could prove a point. But also. So that when we have future children. There will be no involvement, because we would have already proved ourselves as parents :)

@TwoPupsandaHamster I didn't answer the question because she commented again saying she had already found the answer on a previous post. Do you just pick and choose what you want to read?

@Limitedsimba123 I didn't not do anything they asked? I separated from him, hence why he missed the birth etc. There was never any questioning about my parenting. I also always had glowing reports.

So why do you still have a social worker?

@TwoPupsandaHamsterI didn't answer the question because she commented again saying she had already found the answer on a previous post. Do you just pick and choose what you want to read

Who is "she"? I can't recall you answering any questions put to you on this thread tbh. Your posts have appeared nonsensical to anyone who is involved with Child Protection. Anyway.... 🙈🙉🙊

@Nicknacky because they have to apply back to court to tell the judge that they are ending it. We told the judge we wanted to do a six month supervision order to prove ourselves for when it comes to future children etc, and tbh its a way of feeling better about ourselves, like a "see, told you" sort of thing. And because the judge agreed to what we wanted, he set it for six months like we said. But the social worker doesn't see the point. But you have to go back to court to end it?

@TwoPupsandaHamster you told @Limitedsimba123 not to ask a question because i wouldn't answer it. Yet id already answered it on a previous post. If people want answers. I've already written answers. Im not going to spend my day repeating myself 20 times.

Sounds strange but I’m sure any social worker reading this could confirm (if they could be bothered)

So do you get along with the social worker managing the supervision order ?

We told the judge we wanted to do a six month supervision order to prove ourselves for when it comes to future children etc

You TOLD the Judge eh? Of course you did dear! 🙈 Another load of shit!

Why did you request (at Court 🙊) to remain within a mother and baby foster placement? And then come on a Social Media site primarily to condemn Foster Carers, Social Workers and anyone else involved in protecting your child? When you, yourself, requested (at Court ?? WTF!!) To remain within the Care System? Are you totally bonkers?

Your events of your "story" is total madness to those involved in Child Protection. Nobody can decipher why you and your child were under the scrutiny of SS.

You wish us all to sympathise with you. Yet, now, it seems you requested to remain within the Care System. Make your mind up FFS!

@wishingforapositiveyear I actually do. She's nice. She apologised on the behalf of the ones that lied. She was super nice about it.

@TwoPupsandaHamster this is how you can tell you've not had involvement. Yes I asked the judge. Through my solicitor of course. The judge said the supervision order wasn't necessary. I said I would prefer to do it, so that when it comes to having another child. There would be no criticism and no involvement. They would of got involved as soon as I told the midwife I've been through care proceedings before. Also you clearly haven't read my posts. The judge ordered they move me out of the foster placement. THEY DIDNT. Even though I asked them to. Multiple times. They led the judge to believe they adhered to the order by placing me in a mother and baby unit. I NEVER WENT TO A MOTHER AND BABY UNIT. Please read my posts correctly before coming out with utter shit.

Your posts have appeared nonsensical to anyone who is involved with child protection Who is involved with child protection on this thread as a matter of interest?